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They had one 8 years ago and the situation changed drastically since then. Northern Ireland for example gets to hold independence referendums every 7 years, so

by prvit 4y ago

They had one 8 years ago and the situation changed drastically since then. Northern Ireland for example gets to hold independence referendums every 7 years, so there hardly exists any real argument against holding another one… Besides the fact that Westminster would likely lose, of course.

Kaibeezy 4y ago
I wasn’t aware (or I forgot) NI has this option. Do you know why they have it? Can you point to a good explanation somewhere? Thx.
- prvit 4y ago
  They have it because IRA was willing to kill a lot of people to get it. This is a part of the so-called Good Friday Agreement which was signed in 1998 after Northern Irish nationalists fought a 30 year war against the British state with an ultimate goal of becoming a part of Ireland instead.
  - Kaibeezy 4y ago
    That's what I get for asking an imprecise question. Sometimes, when two countries dislike each other very much... A more precise line of questioning might have been: What considerations brought about the inclusion of this particular clause or right? Under what circumstances has it been raised for consideration since the Agreement? Can you point to a resource focusing on the issues and history surrounding this particular clause? Anyway, the comments above made some suggestions.
dijit 4y ago
> Northern Ireland for example gets to hold independence referendums every 7 years I can't find a source for this, do you have one?
- prvit 4y ago
  Northern Ireland Act 1998
  - dijit 4y ago
    Yeah. I did CTRL-F on that and it found no relevant references to the word “referendum” or “7 years”. If you could point me to the section I’d appreciate it. Not saying you’re wrong; just that I can’t seem to find it easily and it’s not referenced outside a lot either.
    - prvit 4y ago
      I’m on my phone and can’t dig through the laws properly, but here’s an citizens advice site confirming the same https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/good_friday_agreement.html https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/... And here again https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-r... These are just the first hits from google, but the 7-year minimum is definitely a thing.
      - dijit 4y ago
        Hey, thanks for that. So it’s not every 7 years, that’s the minimum time between referendums, which I (inaccurately) read in your original comment. > A referendum on a united Ireland is to be called by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when it appears likely that a majority of the people would vote in favour of a united Ireland. If the referendum is defeated, at least 7 years must pass before a new referendum can be held. I think, though, if this was applied to Scotland then they would have reasonable cause since there definitely an independence movement.
        prvit 4y ago
        Yeah, the point isn’t that they must have referendums every 7 years. It’s just that they can, provided they feel like it.

by prvit 4y ago

Kaibeezy 4y ago

I wasn’t aware (or I forgot) NI has this option. Do you know why they have it? Can you point to a good explanation somewhere? Thx.

prvit 4y ago
They have it because IRA was willing to kill a lot of people to get it. This is a part of the so-called Good Friday Agreement which was signed in 1998 after Northern Irish nationalists fought a 30 year war against the British state with an ultimate goal of becoming a part of Ireland instead.
- Kaibeezy 4y ago
  That's what I get for asking an imprecise question. Sometimes, when two countries dislike each other very much... A more precise line of questioning might have been: What considerations brought about the inclusion of this particular clause or right? Under what circumstances has it been raised for consideration since the Agreement? Can you point to a resource focusing on the issues and history surrounding this particular clause? Anyway, the comments above made some suggestions.

dijit 4y ago

> Northern Ireland for example gets to hold independence referendums every 7 years I can't find a source for this, do you have one?

prvit 4y ago
Northern Ireland Act 1998
- dijit 4y ago
  Yeah. I did CTRL-F on that and it found no relevant references to the word “referendum” or “7 years”. If you could point me to the section I’d appreciate it. Not saying you’re wrong; just that I can’t seem to find it easily and it’s not referenced outside a lot either.
  - prvit 4y ago
    I’m on my phone and can’t dig through the laws properly, but here’s an citizens advice site confirming the same https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/good_friday_agreement.html https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/... And here again https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-reunification https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/irish-r... These are just the first hits from google, but the 7-year minimum is definitely a thing.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Hey, thanks for that. So it’s not every 7 years, that’s the minimum time between referendums, which I (inaccurately) read in your original comment. > A referendum on a united Ireland is to be called by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when it appears likely that a majority of the people would vote in favour of a united Ireland. If the referendum is defeated, at least 7 years must pass before a new referendum can be held. I think, though, if this was applied to Scotland then they would have reasonable cause since there definitely an independence movement.
      - prvit 4y ago
        Yeah, the point isn’t that they must have referendums every 7 years. It’s just that they can, provided they feel like it.