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Eight years ago, before the English decided to catapult them out of the EU. (A major argument from the English side against Indyref was that an independent Sco

Eight years ago, before the English decided to catapult them out of the EU. (A major argument from the English side against Indyref was that an independent Scotland couldn't be part of the EU, but a united Kingdom could - that aged poorly.)

cdogl 4y ago
It was a strange argument in the first place. If Luxembourg and Malta can be in the EU, why not Scotland? Hard to imagine them being refused.
- tehbeard 4y ago
  It's less an issue of size and more of economics etc. Also the precedent it sets for Catalonia's independence movement and the issues that causes for Spain is another pain point that has been brought up (edit: Though as I understand it, Spain's position is that as long as Scotland does it "legally", and not by secession, they're fine?).
- pmyteh 4y ago
  The only plausible problem was a Spanish veto, to avoid encouraging secession by the Basque country and Catalonia. If done with the consent of the Rest of the UK, though, I don't think that would have eventuated.
- bhaak 4y ago
  It certainly can but an independent Scotland would not automatically be a member of the EU. They would have had to apply for membership and even though it would have certainly been speedrun (unless the UK would have been petty and tried to block their admittance) there would still have been some turmoil until they were admitted. And now they got the turmoil without any option of being part of the EU. Edit: proper tenses so it's clear this is with regards to how the situation was for the referendum of 2014.
  - smcl 4y ago
    (edit: questioned the meaning of the parent comment, but they have clarified)
    - bhaak 4y ago
      That was written for the referendum of 2014. Today of course, the situation is completely different.
      - smcl 4y ago
        Ah, clear :) I'll edit my comment too
  - soVeryTired 4y ago
    Spain would likely be against Scotland joining, since there’s an analogous independence movement in Catalonia that Madrid wants to suppress. Not that they’d necessarily veto, but the politics aren’t clear-cut.
    - bhaak 4y ago
      Only if they secede without approval of the UK. The referendum in 2014 was accepted by the government. That's something Madrid won't do. At least not within the foreseeable future.

cdogl 4y ago

It was a strange argument in the first place. If Luxembourg and Malta can be in the EU, why not Scotland? Hard to imagine them being refused.

tehbeard 4y ago
It's less an issue of size and more of economics etc. Also the precedent it sets for Catalonia's independence movement and the issues that causes for Spain is another pain point that has been brought up (edit: Though as I understand it, Spain's position is that as long as Scotland does it "legally", and not by secession, they're fine?).
pmyteh 4y ago
The only plausible problem was a Spanish veto, to avoid encouraging secession by the Basque country and Catalonia. If done with the consent of the Rest of the UK, though, I don't think that would have eventuated.
bhaak 4y ago
It certainly can but an independent Scotland would not automatically be a member of the EU. They would have had to apply for membership and even though it would have certainly been speedrun (unless the UK would have been petty and tried to block their admittance) there would still have been some turmoil until they were admitted. And now they got the turmoil without any option of being part of the EU. Edit: proper tenses so it's clear this is with regards to how the situation was for the referendum of 2014.
- smcl 4y ago
  (edit: questioned the meaning of the parent comment, but they have clarified)
  - bhaak 4y ago
    That was written for the referendum of 2014. Today of course, the situation is completely different.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Ah, clear :) I'll edit my comment too
- soVeryTired 4y ago
  Spain would likely be against Scotland joining, since there’s an analogous independence movement in Catalonia that Madrid wants to suppress. Not that they’d necessarily veto, but the politics aren’t clear-cut.
  - bhaak 4y ago
    Only if they secede without approval of the UK. The referendum in 2014 was accepted by the government. That's something Madrid won't do. At least not within the foreseeable future.