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> The number of times my friends have got alexa to turn the light on first time is functionally zero. I have a room called "Study" and the only lights there ar

> The number of times my friends have got alexa to turn the light on first time is functionally zero. I have a room called "Study" and the only lights there are called "Main Lights". - Hey, Siri, study lights 100% - Did you mean these lights: "Study: Main Lights" :facepalm:

ggm 4y ago
Yea, a single member set shouldn't require full enumeration, it's detectably the only operating device in context. If it was the only "main light" across all rooms I'd hesitate to say the same mind you, nesting scopes should be respected. What would you want it to do when you add a second light bulb? Tell you the old command is no longer unique or turn on both?
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > What would you want it to do when you add a second light bulb? Tell you the old command is no longer unique or turn on both? I think when the command is generic "lights" it should turn on all lights. But both are valid behaviours.
r0m4n0 4y ago
I don’t disagree with the stupidity sometimes but I have probably upwards of 50 lightsbulbs/plugs connected to my echo speakers and use them exclusively for turning on my lamps, dimming lights etc. so I can say confidently, it makes mistakes sometimes but once you learn the quirks and set things up with proper names it’s actually pretty impressive. And you can learn the oddities, you just have to be dedicated, sorta like learning anything else. I’ve learned that I can’t say “what’s the temperature” because it will tell me the temperature my Dyson fan is set to lol. It’s not wrong, it’s just missing some context (me holding my jacket wondering if I should wear it) that I can provide going forward. Maybe I should just ask it “should I wear my jacket today”
- dmitriid 4y ago
  That's the issue though: there are too many quirks even for the most simple of interactions.You have to be constantly aware of quirks, and issues, and workarounds. It's like walking on broken glass.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  > set things up with proper names The hard part isn't naming the stuff, its remembering what each thing is named. I could call the lamp next to the couch several different things depending on the context. If you don't remember exactly what it is named you are gonna have a rough time. I've been tempted to just put a label with the device name on everything controlled by Alexa. And good luck getting a guest to turn anything on or off.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > I could call the lamp next to the couch several different things depending on the context. Or just call it dude :) https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/548b3p/everything_is_dude/ https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/548b3p/everything_is_du...

ggm 4y ago

Yea, a single member set shouldn't require full enumeration, it's detectably the only operating device in context. If it was the only "main light" across all rooms I'd hesitate to say the same mind you, nesting scopes should be respected. What would you want it to do when you add a second light bulb? Tell you the old command is no longer unique or turn on both?

dmitriid 4y ago
> What would you want it to do when you add a second light bulb? Tell you the old command is no longer unique or turn on both? I think when the command is generic "lights" it should turn on all lights. But both are valid behaviours.

r0m4n0 4y ago

I don’t disagree with the stupidity sometimes but I have probably upwards of 50 lightsbulbs/plugs connected to my echo speakers and use them exclusively for turning on my lamps, dimming lights etc. so I can say confidently, it makes mistakes sometimes but once you learn the quirks and set things up with proper names it’s actually pretty impressive. And you can learn the oddities, you just have to be dedicated, sorta like learning anything else. I’ve learned that I can’t say “what’s the temperature” because it will tell me the temperature my Dyson fan is set to lol. It’s not wrong, it’s just missing some context (me holding my jacket wondering if I should wear it) that I can provide going forward. Maybe I should just ask it “should I wear my jacket today”

dmitriid 4y ago
That's the issue though: there are too many quirks even for the most simple of interactions.You have to be constantly aware of quirks, and issues, and workarounds. It's like walking on broken glass.
spookthesunset 4y ago
> set things up with proper names The hard part isn't naming the stuff, its remembering what each thing is named. I could call the lamp next to the couch several different things depending on the context. If you don't remember exactly what it is named you are gonna have a rough time. I've been tempted to just put a label with the device name on everything controlled by Alexa. And good luck getting a guest to turn anything on or off.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > I could call the lamp next to the couch several different things depending on the context. Or just call it dude :) https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/548b3p/everything_is_dude/ https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/548b3p/everything_is_du...