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There is no chance that I would risk this. I would gladly donate several Terabytes of seeding if this possible in a secure and _anonymous_ network.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
you could probably seed over clear in the first go and then actual long term seeding over tor to protect you
snvzz 4y ago
It is possible to run ipfs behind tor. And I'd argue it is the right way to do so.
- deknos 4y ago
  how? i am behind NAT for example, i tried doing it. it did not work. Is there a way for people who have just 20 mbit/s up/downstream and do not have an stable IP addres from home behind NAT? I would run a server for long for seeding if it would be over TOR.
  - xwolfi 4y ago
    Dude come on, 20mb/s who will you serve with that, forget about it and move near a backbone.
    - brokenmachine 4y ago
      If he's got the rare file that you need, who cares if he's on 20mb/s or 2mb/s? Pepperidge Farm remembers 300 baud.
    - deknos 4y ago
      Well.. do you have Money for moving and paying subscription? :D
    - _joel 4y ago
      That's the point of p2p with multiple seed though, every extra bps helps.
  - tiluha 4y ago
    Running a hidden service on Tor should work without problems behind NAT
    - deknos 4y ago
      You mean, i can do a Hidden Service from behind NAT and connect that to IPFS via onion URL? Let me see if i can figure this out :D
- 8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
  Doesn't that saturate Tor? Bittorrent via Tor was always highly discouraged to not overload the network with all the p2p traffic and IPFS is a very similar technique.
  - staringback 4y ago
    > Doesn't that saturate Tor? No, that's a stupid myth that needs to die. The tor network is nowhere near the advertised bandwidth capacity: https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html
    - 8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
      https://support.torproject.org/misc/misc-4/ https://support.torproject.org/misc/misc-4/ links to TODO which says "We've been saying for years not to run Bittorrent over Tor, because the Tor network can't handle the load;" and links to a dead page "Why Tor is slow". I googled that and found https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Why_is_Tor_slow#Misuse_of_the_Tor_Network https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Why_is_Tor_slow#Misuse_of_the_To... and https://tails.boum.org/doc/anonymous_internet/tor/slow/index.en.html https://tails.boum.org/doc/anonymous_internet/tor/slow/index... which sound like they were both sourced from that defunct page. So, if you call it a stupid myth, please provide some credible proof. The Tor developers as well as the maintainers of two highly respected tools built upon Tor disagree with you.
      - staringback 4y ago
        > We've been saying for years not to run Bittorrent over Tor, because the Tor network can't handle the load;" 12 year old blog post. Both the tor network and internet as a whole are completely different. > two highly respected tools built upon Tor disagree with you Both of those pages have a citation that says "it is bad.... just cause it is okay!" The credible evidence is in my original comment, that shows hundreds of gigabits being underutilized on the network.
- thetoon 4y ago
  Any pointer on that?
- imhoguy 4y ago
  IPFS wont run via Tor, DHT is UDP based and Tor doesn't support UDP by design. Did my research last weekend, anybody more knowledgable, please correct me if I am wrong. Possibly it should run fine via I2P or Yggdrasil.
  - snvzz 4y ago
    Googled ipfs and tor just to make sure it's not hard to find. The first result was a guide on how to do it.
    - thetoon 4y ago
      I'm not sure pointing to Google is "correcting him". But yeah, a good guide on how to use IPFS as an hidden service would be pretty useful. (edit:typo)
    - deknos 4y ago
      did you also TEST it? last time i did this, it never really connected to the IPFS network. also it was marked as experimental
  - MayeulC 4y ago
    Yggdrasil is not really anonymous, though.
- 3np 4y ago
  If you have a way to run ipfs over tor, please share.
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KoftaBob 4y ago
Secure and anonymous network like which? Tor isn't meant for P2P seeding, so not sure which it would be.
- 8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
  I don't know. Tahoe-LAFS in I2P? Syncthing via Tor?

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

you could probably seed over clear in the first go and then actual long term seeding over tor to protect you

snvzz 4y ago

It is possible to run ipfs behind tor. And I'd argue it is the right way to do so.

deknos 4y ago
how? i am behind NAT for example, i tried doing it. it did not work. Is there a way for people who have just 20 mbit/s up/downstream and do not have an stable IP addres from home behind NAT? I would run a server for long for seeding if it would be over TOR.
- xwolfi 4y ago
  Dude come on, 20mb/s who will you serve with that, forget about it and move near a backbone.
  - brokenmachine 4y ago
    If he's got the rare file that you need, who cares if he's on 20mb/s or 2mb/s? Pepperidge Farm remembers 300 baud.
  - deknos 4y ago
    Well.. do you have Money for moving and paying subscription? :D
  - _joel 4y ago
    That's the point of p2p with multiple seed though, every extra bps helps.
- tiluha 4y ago
  Running a hidden service on Tor should work without problems behind NAT
  - deknos 4y ago
    You mean, i can do a Hidden Service from behind NAT and connect that to IPFS via onion URL? Let me see if i can figure this out :D
8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
Doesn't that saturate Tor? Bittorrent via Tor was always highly discouraged to not overload the network with all the p2p traffic and IPFS is a very similar technique.
- staringback 4y ago
  > Doesn't that saturate Tor? No, that's a stupid myth that needs to die. The tor network is nowhere near the advertised bandwidth capacity: https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html
  - 8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
    https://support.torproject.org/misc/misc-4/ https://support.torproject.org/misc/misc-4/ links to TODO which says "We've been saying for years not to run Bittorrent over Tor, because the Tor network can't handle the load;" and links to a dead page "Why Tor is slow". I googled that and found https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Why_is_Tor_slow#Misuse_of_the_Tor_Network https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Why_is_Tor_slow#Misuse_of_the_To... and https://tails.boum.org/doc/anonymous_internet/tor/slow/index.en.html https://tails.boum.org/doc/anonymous_internet/tor/slow/index... which sound like they were both sourced from that defunct page. So, if you call it a stupid myth, please provide some credible proof. The Tor developers as well as the maintainers of two highly respected tools built upon Tor disagree with you.
    - staringback 4y ago
      > We've been saying for years not to run Bittorrent over Tor, because the Tor network can't handle the load;" 12 year old blog post. Both the tor network and internet as a whole are completely different. > two highly respected tools built upon Tor disagree with you Both of those pages have a citation that says "it is bad.... just cause it is okay!" The credible evidence is in my original comment, that shows hundreds of gigabits being underutilized on the network.
thetoon 4y ago
Any pointer on that?
imhoguy 4y ago
IPFS wont run via Tor, DHT is UDP based and Tor doesn't support UDP by design. Did my research last weekend, anybody more knowledgable, please correct me if I am wrong. Possibly it should run fine via I2P or Yggdrasil.
- snvzz 4y ago
  Googled ipfs and tor just to make sure it's not hard to find. The first result was a guide on how to do it.
  - thetoon 4y ago
    I'm not sure pointing to Google is "correcting him". But yeah, a good guide on how to use IPFS as an hidden service would be pretty useful. (edit:typo)
  - deknos 4y ago
    did you also TEST it? last time i did this, it never really connected to the IPFS network. also it was marked as experimental
- MayeulC 4y ago
  Yggdrasil is not really anonymous, though.
3np 4y ago
If you have a way to run ipfs over tor, please share.

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KoftaBob 4y ago

Secure and anonymous network like which? Tor isn't meant for P2P seeding, so not sure which it would be.

8t88t8tttt8 4y ago
I don't know. Tahoe-LAFS in I2P? Syncthing via Tor?