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The issue with those was that they were indeed very ecologically dirty, especially the lignite mines from Gorj. You can actually see the devastation that they h
by paganel 4y ago
The issue with those was that they were indeed very ecologically dirty, especially the lignite mines from Gorj. You can actually see the devastation that they have brought on the ecosystem even from satellite images [1]. I agree though, if one takes a step back and looks at the whole thing (i.e. if you add the socio-economic conditions) this was a very bad decision.
I personally don't think renewables will be able to fill the gap for us. For one thing, transporting all the wind-generated power from the likes of Dobruja to Western Romania and Transylvania using existing power-transport infrastructure is no easy task. Second, I don't see solar taking over, for the simple reason that the fields from Southern Romania which it would best to use for such task are of greater use to agriculture (from an economics pov, that is).
On a more general note, we, Romanians, already have past history related to this, not a successful one at that. I'm talking of the period after the 1970s oil-shock crisis and of the '80s in their entirety, when the then government was very aware of the energy problem and was also very actively trying to tackle it and, in a way, solve it. That's why the discourse that we now hear from the West is in many ways familiar to us Romanians (only cars with odd numbers which should be allowed travel during weekends, energy "rationing" etc), i.e. because we have been in that place before them (and failed).
There are several books from that period who explain the problem in detail and which also write about possible solutions. Most of them are from Editura Politica, such as Energy in a finite world [2], published in 1983, but one of the best, imo, is this one: Energy, whereto? [3], published in 1978, a book which has a very comprehensive list of almost all of the solutions that were available back then. It's very interesting that they also talk about shale gas, and about how it's not a recommended solution because it generates mini-earthquakes (they might have also mentioned the heavy water-use as a negative, I don't remember exactly).
Of course, when the mini-earthquakes did indeed happen in the early 2010s when we try to extract shale-gas in Eastern Romania the powers that be all acted surprised, like "how could all of this have happened?". It's not like there had been actual books written about the subject 30 years prior by people who most probably were still around in one way or another. Which would bring me to one of the most important problems we now have, i.e. the lack of specialists on the subject, but this post is already getting too long.
[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8953743,23.1365373,18333m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8953743,23.1365373,18333m/da...
[2] https://www.targulcartii.ro/wolf-hafele/energia-intr-o-lume-finita-politica-1983-180792?hqghlTsaAheCEALw_wcB https://www.targulcartii.ro/wolf-hafele/energia-intr-o-lume-...
[3] https://www.targulcartii.ro/i-popescu/energia-incotro-scrisul-romanesc-1978-719299RHgsaAvzHEALw_wcB https://www.targulcartii.ro/i-popescu/energia-incotro-scrisu...
- radu_floricica 4y agoWe actually have a pretty awesome energy mix in Romania. It's a hard thing to rank, but we could be in the top 3. A lot of hydro, a fair amount of nuclear and we're expanding the nuclear, and a bit of hydro as well. Plus quite a bit of wind, and an almost-working program to encourage private individuals to install solar and sell back to the network. Yes, as part of that mix we had some horribly dirty old school plants. I'm not contesting that they should be replaced per se - but the current thread is about flexibility, and the way it was done left no wiggle room whatsoever. And now we have absurdly high energy prices, Moldova is in danger of going dark, and we probably could be doing more to export power to Ukraine. All because some politicians guessed wrong, at a moment when it was already pretty clear this whole direction is dangerous. The local legislation happened, I think, only last year. It's not a new story, politicians making bad decisions. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out when they do, especially when it's costing all of us. And speaking of, what they should really do now is unlock the solar power program - which on paper forces the utilities companies to buy back power, but in practice allows them to drag their feet indefinitely.
- AstralStorm 4y agoThe coal power plant however gives you little flexibility for all the maintenance cost. Can it burn wood? Nah. Biogas? Nope. Do you have coal everywhere? As we found in Poland it's a scarce resource controlled mostly by a few parties and hard to store and transport in required bulk. I wonder how much of your coal is imported. The proper replacement would be biofuels, if anything.
- pmontra 4y ago> transporting all the wind-generated power from the likes of Dobruja to Western Romania and Transylvania using existing power-transport infrastructure is no easy task Do you mean, lack of capacity in the power lines to that regions? > only cars with odd numbers which should be allowed travel during weekend That was also the norm in Italy during the oil crisis. It was done more recently as an anti pollution measure too.
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