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If I recall correctly, in that situation we’d expect a 90% fatality in 1 year. https://energsustainsoc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13705-019-0199-y htt

If I recall correctly, in that situation we’d expect a 90% fatality in 1 year. https://energsustainsoc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13705-019-0199-y https://energsustainsoc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s... People thought I was nuts in 2021 when the lockdowns continued and I bought enough tools to survive such an event. I figured, people aren’t working, things gonna break. Lol For reference, some basics would go a long way — survival straw to filter water, 3 month emergency food storage, fire starting kit, water collection, etc. for those in the country it’s really not much. A solar generator with a big battery could probably work for those in the country (with a well). For those in the suburbs you’ll need enough to hunker down for a few weeks (and guns). For the city, you need an escape plan and a place to go. A true grid collapse would be insane. Most people don’t know how to do any of the basics all our families did only a generation or two ago. How many people can? How many know how to preserve meat for long periods without a freezer? How many know how to grow food and store it? I’ve spent the past couple years learning some of these skills and preparing the tools. To be clear grid collapse is inevitable on a long enough time horizon. Being prepared with food, water and shelter is a bare minimum.

roflyear 4y ago
Prepare sure. But make sure you stock up on salt ;)
pc86 4y ago
Where did you learn these skills? Hell I barely know how to change the oil in my car because I never had someone teach me and only recently got to a place in my life where I realized that sort of thing is important. I'm making headway, slowly but surely, but something like growing enough food for a family or acquiring meat, let alone preserving it, might as well be trying to get to the moon.
- Falkon1313 4y ago
  >something like growing enough food for a family or acquiring meat, let alone preserving it, might as well be trying to get to the moon. Funny to think that for our grandparents, that was just a typical Tuesday. They did pickling, canning, preserves, all that stuff. Some might've done smoking and curing. Kept a spare freezer stocked. After the Great Depression, they weren't going to be caught empty-handed again. Two generations later, we learned nothing from them and look at that as comparable to going to the moon. Wow. But yeah, I don't know how to do any of that either. To learn, talk to some older people, I guess?
- lettergram 4y ago
  I think everyone’s in their own situation. Easy stuff: 1. Start a garden this year. Learn the basics. A big garden is just the same principles at a larger scale. 2. Just start doing everything yourself. Go on YouTube and watch how to do X and do it. It’ll build general knowledge of how things work. Saves money, builds confidence, generally good skills regardless. 3. There are survivalist camps if you’re hard core (don’t think it’s necessary, but some people might like it idk) 4. Start curing / pickling your own food. Some simple examples: but everything from the store to make salsa and try that. Make your own bacon (very good) by buying pork belly. Country ham can be delicious and fairly straight forward. Just be sure to follow guides. The USDA publishes guides on canning for instance
couchand 4y ago
If you're stocking up for survival purposes throw away the straw filters and get a case of chlorine dioxide tabs.
procinct 4y ago
I’d be curious if you had any good book recommendations for covering the basics?
duckmysick 4y ago
> How many people can? How many know how to preserve meat for long periods without a freezer? How many know how to grow food and store it? I do. It doesn't matter. I'm under no illusion I'd be able do defend myself and my food when I'm outnumbered and outgunned, being on alert 24/7. All it takes is one mistake and it's game over.
- lettergram 4y ago
  That’s the reality… become friends with your neighbors and if anything bad happens you can work together. Good to do in any case. I also don’t think people will be as violent after the first 3-4 weeks without water or food. Simply put, those who collaborate have a higher likelihood of survival. There’s only so much you can steal. If / when this situation arises be prepared and it’ll give you a buffer to survive longer. Have the skills to keep surviving after that and make friends who do as well. Make a plan to meet said friends. That’s really all you can do. It increases your odds

roflyear 4y ago

Prepare sure. But make sure you stock up on salt ;)

pc86 4y ago

Where did you learn these skills? Hell I barely know how to change the oil in my car because I never had someone teach me and only recently got to a place in my life where I realized that sort of thing is important. I'm making headway, slowly but surely, but something like growing enough food for a family or acquiring meat, let alone preserving it, might as well be trying to get to the moon.

Falkon1313 4y ago
>something like growing enough food for a family or acquiring meat, let alone preserving it, might as well be trying to get to the moon. Funny to think that for our grandparents, that was just a typical Tuesday. They did pickling, canning, preserves, all that stuff. Some might've done smoking and curing. Kept a spare freezer stocked. After the Great Depression, they weren't going to be caught empty-handed again. Two generations later, we learned nothing from them and look at that as comparable to going to the moon. Wow. But yeah, I don't know how to do any of that either. To learn, talk to some older people, I guess?
lettergram 4y ago
I think everyone’s in their own situation. Easy stuff: 1. Start a garden this year. Learn the basics. A big garden is just the same principles at a larger scale. 2. Just start doing everything yourself. Go on YouTube and watch how to do X and do it. It’ll build general knowledge of how things work. Saves money, builds confidence, generally good skills regardless. 3. There are survivalist camps if you’re hard core (don’t think it’s necessary, but some people might like it idk) 4. Start curing / pickling your own food. Some simple examples: but everything from the store to make salsa and try that. Make your own bacon (very good) by buying pork belly. Country ham can be delicious and fairly straight forward. Just be sure to follow guides. The USDA publishes guides on canning for instance

couchand 4y ago

If you're stocking up for survival purposes throw away the straw filters and get a case of chlorine dioxide tabs.

procinct 4y ago

I’d be curious if you had any good book recommendations for covering the basics?

duckmysick 4y ago

> How many people can? How many know how to preserve meat for long periods without a freezer? How many know how to grow food and store it? I do. It doesn't matter. I'm under no illusion I'd be able do defend myself and my food when I'm outnumbered and outgunned, being on alert 24/7. All it takes is one mistake and it's game over.

lettergram 4y ago
That’s the reality… become friends with your neighbors and if anything bad happens you can work together. Good to do in any case. I also don’t think people will be as violent after the first 3-4 weeks without water or food. Simply put, those who collaborate have a higher likelihood of survival. There’s only so much you can steal. If / when this situation arises be prepared and it’ll give you a buffer to survive longer. Have the skills to keep surviving after that and make friends who do as well. Make a plan to meet said friends. That’s really all you can do. It increases your odds