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A lot of this is a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many people who don’t want the “new” twitter to succeed and being vocal about it will result in advertise

A lot of this is a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many people who don’t want the “new” twitter to succeed and being vocal about it will result in advertisers leaving the platform making the whole thing collapse in on itself. Twitter doesn’t have a valid competitor though (no mastodon is not it) so Elon might end up pulling it off. I hope he doesn’t though and I’m going to do what it takes to influence that decision.

AlchemistCamp 4y ago
> Elon might end up pulling it off. I hope he doesn’t though and I’m going to do what it takes to influence that decision. Wow. That’s a pretty mean-spirited way to go through life. Why not put your efforts into building something positive instead of trying to tear others down?
- ss2003 4y ago
  Because there are many things that should just be torn down.
- Larrikin 4y ago
  It's a pretty easy argument that tearing Twitter down and reducing the wealth of the richest guy on paper is building a better world.
  - Robotbeat 4y ago
    What's remarkable to me is people cheering desperately for Tesla to fail. Also weird that people were both cheering for Elon to be forced to buy Twitter, then mad that he bought it. Then cheering for Elon Twitter to fail (hoping for advertisers to leave even before any layoffs were announced) and then lambasting Elon for being so mean to lay off people (how can they stay employed if Twitter's revenue fails?). It's really weird.
- macintux 4y ago
  Arguably it’s better in the long term for civilization if narcissistic bullies don’t succeed.
  - kodyo 4y ago
    There will always be government careers for those people to fall back on.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    It's only in your opinion that is what he is. If you've actually been following him in detail for any length of time you'd realize that doesn't really describe him.
    - macintux 4y ago
      “Pedo guy”: bully, even ignoring the borderline abusive behavior over the last few weeks. Narcissist? The fact that he’s nominally head of 3 companies, trying to execute a dramatic turnaround on one in real time, but still tweets constantly. Certainly, he has many positive attributes. But, quoting Steve Rogers, I don’t like bullies.
      - Robotbeat 4y ago
        The Pedo guy was one of the dumbest things Elon has done. But it's worth noting that the guy had used a sexually explicit insult against Elon on TV immediately before that. It didn't come out of nowhere. Elon stupidly went much further. Elon is mean to people who are mean to him and nice to people who are nice to him. That makes him kind of easy to manipulate. Neurotypicals (and those with higher social intelligence) know you're supposed to pretend to be nice to people who are mean to you.
        mhss 4y ago
        I guess you can find excuses to defend anyone, including bullies. I mean, most bullies were bullied and abused themselves, so there's that. What's the excuse for the other points raised by the OP though? + a bunch of other stuff such as firing people and announcing it on Twitter over people disagreeing on Twitter with him? I find amusing all the mental gymnastics Musk followers are doing these days. It does seem like a personality cult. I used to look up to him, read one of his biographies, etc; Plenty to admire from his achievements, but his most recent toxic behaviour and shitty management style has really changed that.
- memish 4y ago
  It's hard to build. It's easy to tear down. It's an unfortunate asymmetry.
  - guelo 4y ago
    See for example, Elon buying Twitter and tearing everything down.
- honkler 4y ago
  yeah, I'm building the downfall of twitter
- bergenty 4y ago
  His agenda and what he’s enabling is incredibly mean spirited to large swaths of the population to the point where it observably increases violence against them. In contrast, my hope that his financial venture fails isn’t all that destructive.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    I find it difficult to believe that "embracing the idea that what is legal should be legal on a platform designed for conveying speech" should be considered evil. Unless you believe that American law with regards to speech is also evil.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  The problem is that this is a unique case. If Twitter 2.0 succeeds, then it sends a signal to the capital class that they can proceed in buying up tech companies and gutting them to the bone. The power that Engineers have will be severely reduced and I suspect that avenue towards a respectable middle class life will be further eroded. Hell if Twitter only lasts a few more years, Elon has the potential of turning it around enough to sell it, getting the credit and the profit and letting someone else hold the bag. In this case its not a matter of mean spirited or not. This is a silent war going on and the other side could care less about being nice.
  - Robotbeat 4y ago
    To be honest, I think maybe engineers' talents would be better spent on things other than optimizing ad placement and toxic engagement. So I'm fine either way... If Twitter 2.0 succeeds, then ad-reliant "tech" businesses will be gutted and engineers freed to do more constructive things... if it fails, then one of the most toxic websites--toxic even before Elon, of course--might go under. But I think that's wishful thinking.
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      I think it wont stop at ad-reliant tech companies. Twitter 2.0 succeeding will show that you can force Engineers to work in much harsher conditions for less pay and that will become the norm. They become the same as other blue collar roles. Just surviving and not thriving. I've often felt that was a motivating push behind "Learn to Code", bootcamps and other initiatives. Engineers have been blessed to have this unique power over the capital class. Its a once in a generation (or two) opportunity and that class is trying to find any way it can to wrestle back that power.
    - bergenty 4y ago
      It’s normalizing slavery pleb conditions for engineers.
jmeister 4y ago
Upvoted for honesty.
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AlchemistCamp 4y ago

> Elon might end up pulling it off. I hope he doesn’t though and I’m going to do what it takes to influence that decision. Wow. That’s a pretty mean-spirited way to go through life. Why not put your efforts into building something positive instead of trying to tear others down?

ss2003 4y ago
Because there are many things that should just be torn down.
Larrikin 4y ago
It's a pretty easy argument that tearing Twitter down and reducing the wealth of the richest guy on paper is building a better world.
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  What's remarkable to me is people cheering desperately for Tesla to fail. Also weird that people were both cheering for Elon to be forced to buy Twitter, then mad that he bought it. Then cheering for Elon Twitter to fail (hoping for advertisers to leave even before any layoffs were announced) and then lambasting Elon for being so mean to lay off people (how can they stay employed if Twitter's revenue fails?). It's really weird.
macintux 4y ago
Arguably it’s better in the long term for civilization if narcissistic bullies don’t succeed.
- kodyo 4y ago
  There will always be government careers for those people to fall back on.
- mlindner 4y ago
  It's only in your opinion that is what he is. If you've actually been following him in detail for any length of time you'd realize that doesn't really describe him.
  - macintux 4y ago
    “Pedo guy”: bully, even ignoring the borderline abusive behavior over the last few weeks. Narcissist? The fact that he’s nominally head of 3 companies, trying to execute a dramatic turnaround on one in real time, but still tweets constantly. Certainly, he has many positive attributes. But, quoting Steve Rogers, I don’t like bullies.
    - Robotbeat 4y ago
      The Pedo guy was one of the dumbest things Elon has done. But it's worth noting that the guy had used a sexually explicit insult against Elon on TV immediately before that. It didn't come out of nowhere. Elon stupidly went much further. Elon is mean to people who are mean to him and nice to people who are nice to him. That makes him kind of easy to manipulate. Neurotypicals (and those with higher social intelligence) know you're supposed to pretend to be nice to people who are mean to you.
      - mhss 4y ago
        I guess you can find excuses to defend anyone, including bullies. I mean, most bullies were bullied and abused themselves, so there's that. What's the excuse for the other points raised by the OP though? + a bunch of other stuff such as firing people and announcing it on Twitter over people disagreeing on Twitter with him? I find amusing all the mental gymnastics Musk followers are doing these days. It does seem like a personality cult. I used to look up to him, read one of his biographies, etc; Plenty to admire from his achievements, but his most recent toxic behaviour and shitty management style has really changed that.
memish 4y ago
It's hard to build. It's easy to tear down. It's an unfortunate asymmetry.
- guelo 4y ago
  See for example, Elon buying Twitter and tearing everything down.
honkler 4y ago
yeah, I'm building the downfall of twitter
bergenty 4y ago
His agenda and what he’s enabling is incredibly mean spirited to large swaths of the population to the point where it observably increases violence against them. In contrast, my hope that his financial venture fails isn’t all that destructive.
- mlindner 4y ago
  I find it difficult to believe that "embracing the idea that what is legal should be legal on a platform designed for conveying speech" should be considered evil. Unless you believe that American law with regards to speech is also evil.
nebula8804 4y ago
The problem is that this is a unique case. If Twitter 2.0 succeeds, then it sends a signal to the capital class that they can proceed in buying up tech companies and gutting them to the bone. The power that Engineers have will be severely reduced and I suspect that avenue towards a respectable middle class life will be further eroded. Hell if Twitter only lasts a few more years, Elon has the potential of turning it around enough to sell it, getting the credit and the profit and letting someone else hold the bag. In this case its not a matter of mean spirited or not. This is a silent war going on and the other side could care less about being nice.
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  To be honest, I think maybe engineers' talents would be better spent on things other than optimizing ad placement and toxic engagement. So I'm fine either way... If Twitter 2.0 succeeds, then ad-reliant "tech" businesses will be gutted and engineers freed to do more constructive things... if it fails, then one of the most toxic websites--toxic even before Elon, of course--might go under. But I think that's wishful thinking.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    I think it wont stop at ad-reliant tech companies. Twitter 2.0 succeeding will show that you can force Engineers to work in much harsher conditions for less pay and that will become the norm. They become the same as other blue collar roles. Just surviving and not thriving. I've often felt that was a motivating push behind "Learn to Code", bootcamps and other initiatives. Engineers have been blessed to have this unique power over the capital class. Its a once in a generation (or two) opportunity and that class is trying to find any way it can to wrestle back that power.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    It’s normalizing slavery pleb conditions for engineers.

jmeister 4y ago

Upvoted for honesty.

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