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>Ads UI is very buggy and login with SSO and 2FA broken if all of those have somehow deteriorated in 1-2 weeks, this is further justification for axing the peo

>Ads UI is very buggy and login with SSO and 2FA broken if all of those have somehow deteriorated in 1-2 weeks, this is further justification for axing the people who made them.

shagie 4y ago
If I've got something that needs an hour of care every week by a sales person, https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/ puts it at about 10 days (two weeks) of work to make it more efficient. However, if shaving that 1h a week off takes more than 10 days of work, it is probably better to leave it as it is. https://www.fincher.org/tips/General/SoftwareDevelopment/BugTracking.shtml https://www.fincher.org/tips/General/SoftwareDevelopment/Bug... This bug tracking works on Pain / Effort / Frequency and Risk / Effort / Verifiability Realizing that I'm making up numbers here (and you can make them up too for the story we're telling each other): Pain : 2 (low pain) Effort : 2 (low effort) Freq. : 4 (fairly often) We've got a PEF of 8 there. Note that this is the pain for the hypothetical sales person - not the pain for the end advertiser who the sales person works with. So, what's the risk of making the change to make it so that the sales person doesn't have to do that 1h/week task? How much effort does it take? How easy is it to verify that its actually working? And so now we've got bugs where we can put them on a grid and say "these fixes are the low hanging fruit" while "these other ones are risky and don't get us much." Its quite possible that that this issue would never get into the "this is painful and so we need to do the analysis for it" or "this is low hanging fruit that can be fixed and have a big impact on 'stuff'". Nonetheless, you've got something that takes 1h/week from someone who knows what they're doing with their accounts... and they're not working there anymore. Even in a perfect org, this could fall apart rather quickly.
mjmsmith 4y ago
If Twitter goes down, it just shows that all those people were incompetent, and he should have fired them. If Twitter stays up, it just shows that all those people were unnecessary, and he should have fired them.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  - izacus 4y ago
    Punishment for whom?
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    This should not be controversial. Startups should become profitable not weapons wielded by rich investors that disrupt society while they get richer. Uber and AirBnB got rich by being subsidized and breaking regulations. Uber is now just a normal taxi company except its also national duolopoly with Lyft. DoorDash and Saucy sold me on grabbing groceries: except now they don’t have half the items they advertise and make money by sink costs (fine I’ll settle for X.). My orders are wrong or cold and even when I get a completely wrong order door dash takes a few (Uber eats is the same) Our entire economy is a bloated and artificial mess because of VCs pumping companies and money being so free there was no risk.
    - CaptainZapp 4y ago
      > Uber and AirBnB got rich Uber never got rich. They are still blowing billons of VC money every year and realistically there's not really a path to profit when laws and regulations have to be obeyed.
      - danaris 4y ago
        Uber's founders got plenty rich.
adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
2fa broke because Elon ordered all the micro services to be shut down
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  I've heard this claim repeated, but I've been unable to find a link to causal evidence. Do you happen to have a citation?
  - reverius42 4y ago
    I've had a support ticket open since Saturday for 2FA. (Didn't try sooner than that, but the timing of when it stopped working suggests it's possibly related to Elon's tweet.) No response on my support ticket and it still doesn't work.
    - Robotbeat 4y ago
      Thanks. I’ve seen folks report problems with 2FA (which since resolved). Correlative evidence is indeed evidence, but yet it is still not as strong as causal evidence.

>Ads UI is very buggy and login with SSO and 2FA broken if all of those have somehow deteriorated in 1-2 weeks, this is further justification for axing the people who made them.

shagie 4y ago

If I've got something that needs an hour of care every week by a sales person, https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/ puts it at about 10 days (two weeks) of work to make it more efficient. However, if shaving that 1h a week off takes more than 10 days of work, it is probably better to leave it as it is. https://www.fincher.org/tips/General/SoftwareDevelopment/BugTracking.shtml https://www.fincher.org/tips/General/SoftwareDevelopment/Bug... This bug tracking works on Pain / Effort / Frequency and Risk / Effort / Verifiability Realizing that I'm making up numbers here (and you can make them up too for the story we're telling each other): Pain : 2 (low pain) Effort : 2 (low effort) Freq. : 4 (fairly often) We've got a PEF of 8 there. Note that this is the pain for the hypothetical sales person - not the pain for the end advertiser who the sales person works with. So, what's the risk of making the change to make it so that the sales person doesn't have to do that 1h/week task? How much effort does it take? How easy is it to verify that its actually working? And so now we've got bugs where we can put them on a grid and say "these fixes are the low hanging fruit" while "these other ones are risky and don't get us much." Its quite possible that that this issue would never get into the "this is painful and so we need to do the analysis for it" or "this is low hanging fruit that can be fixed and have a big impact on 'stuff'". Nonetheless, you've got something that takes 1h/week from someone who knows what they're doing with their accounts... and they're not working there anymore. Even in a perfect org, this could fall apart rather quickly.

mjmsmith 4y ago

If Twitter goes down, it just shows that all those people were incompetent, and he should have fired them. If Twitter stays up, it just shows that all those people were unnecessary, and he should have fired them.

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
- izacus 4y ago
  Punishment for whom?
- edgyquant 4y ago
  This should not be controversial. Startups should become profitable not weapons wielded by rich investors that disrupt society while they get richer. Uber and AirBnB got rich by being subsidized and breaking regulations. Uber is now just a normal taxi company except its also national duolopoly with Lyft. DoorDash and Saucy sold me on grabbing groceries: except now they don’t have half the items they advertise and make money by sink costs (fine I’ll settle for X.). My orders are wrong or cold and even when I get a completely wrong order door dash takes a few (Uber eats is the same) Our entire economy is a bloated and artificial mess because of VCs pumping companies and money being so free there was no risk.
  - CaptainZapp 4y ago
    > Uber and AirBnB got rich Uber never got rich. They are still blowing billons of VC money every year and realistically there's not really a path to profit when laws and regulations have to be obeyed.
    - danaris 4y ago
      Uber's founders got plenty rich.

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago

2fa broke because Elon ordered all the micro services to be shut down

Robotbeat 4y ago
I've heard this claim repeated, but I've been unable to find a link to causal evidence. Do you happen to have a citation?
- reverius42 4y ago
  I've had a support ticket open since Saturday for 2FA. (Didn't try sooner than that, but the timing of when it stopped working suggests it's possibly related to Elon's tweet.) No response on my support ticket and it still doesn't work.
  - Robotbeat 4y ago
    Thanks. I’ve seen folks report problems with 2FA (which since resolved). Correlative evidence is indeed evidence, but yet it is still not as strong as causal evidence.