If you are actually open minded and curious and charitable about this discussion, you could go ahead and do the basic amount of googling yourself to satisfy you

If you are actually open minded and curious and charitable about this discussion, you could go ahead and do the basic amount of googling yourself to satisfy your curiosity. No I didn't read the article fully because I don't care to. It's so plainly obvious that most drivers don't come to a complete stop that I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it to you any more than I would try and prove to you with studies that the sky is blue. I don't need a study to tell me what I see in front of my face all day every day in every city I've ever lived in (Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Tennessee) or visited, in Canada and in the United States. It's also pretty US-centric of you to say that the US is the location under discussion and that Canadaian cities are not. The link of this thread is literally just the Idaho Stop wiki page, we're talking about stop signs in general. What would even make you think that this is only a discussion about the US, because Idaho Stop is named after a US State, or because user SamBam mentioned that most stops could be yields in the US? He also mentioned the UK in his comment, and my comment explicitly gave Canadian examples. Is this just like an American attitude that all discussions must by default be only about them unless stated otherwise? Your nit picking of the Urbanity informal study is weak. Unless you think the authors intentionally went out of their way to cherry pick a particularly bad 20 minute period, on a particularly lawless day, at 3 particularly lawless intersections, I think it's fair to assume that their observations are pretty typical and representative of Ottawa. That is really the occam's razor explanation and it's good enough to form an opinion unless you want to come and provide even more reliable evidence otherwise. But if you actually are interested here's US study that observed a full stop rate of only about 20% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022437522000287 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00224...