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And some may claim Christianity is about loving your neighbor and following the love of Jesus all the way heaven... Yet you will see people camped outside plann

And some may claim Christianity is about loving your neighbor and following the love of Jesus all the way heaven... Yet you will see people camped outside planned parenthoods screaming and cursing at other humans who are 100% Christians by their own definition. Seems like you're falling for the exact fallacy I pointed out upthread.

zozbot234 4y ago
> Yet you will see people camped outside planned parenthoods screaming and cursing These people think Planned Parenthood is literally murdering babies. You're free to politely disagree with that characterization of course, but it only takes a tiny bit of empathy to understand what the screaming and cursing is all about.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  - zozbot234 4y ago
    > If it were about saving babies there's 100's of simple real world things these anti abortion extremists could support to impact the number of abortions. They oppose nearly all of them. Well, there's a new EA intervention area: Saving Prenatal Human Lives.
ben_w 4y ago
So far as I can see, the important difference between EA and Christianity, is that all the EA types are looking at everything EA is doing wrong and asking themselves how to make it less wrong. Perhaps early Christianity was like that too, before it became mandatory, but it’s certainly not what I remember from my Catholic childhood.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  > the important difference between EA and Christianity, is that all the EA types are looking at everything EA is doing wrong and asking themselves how to make it less wrong. Are they? Because I am meeting a lot of (admittedly self proclaimed) EAs that are busy evangelizing about what "True EA" is and is not, and how SBF was never "True EA". Maybe they are contemplating a lot in their free time, but on a broad stroke it looks like attempting to avoid responsibility to me.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Fair enough; Nae True Scotsman is always annoying, and big-R Rationalists aren’t any better at avoiding such fallacies than anyone else (to their credit, the ones I pay attention to are also annoyed by this). What I’m seeing is mostly online rather than in person meetings; these discussions are “could we have spotted this nonsense sooner?” (general consensus: “probably not, his investors and auditors didn’t and that’s not our skillset”), and “hang on, wasn’t this[0] a red flag?” (which generally gets left unresolved as they get nerd-sniped on the actual discussion rather than staying focused on if it should’ve been a warning sign). [0] https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mdbSL9o8H2Z5mjKaj/fermi-paradox-and-the-st-petersburg-paradox https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mdbSL9o8H2Z5mjKaj/...

zozbot234 4y ago

> Yet you will see people camped outside planned parenthoods screaming and cursing These people think Planned Parenthood is literally murdering babies. You're free to politely disagree with that characterization of course, but it only takes a tiny bit of empathy to understand what the screaming and cursing is all about.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
- zozbot234 4y ago
  > If it were about saving babies there's 100's of simple real world things these anti abortion extremists could support to impact the number of abortions. They oppose nearly all of them. Well, there's a new EA intervention area: Saving Prenatal Human Lives.

ben_w 4y ago

So far as I can see, the important difference between EA and Christianity, is that all the EA types are looking at everything EA is doing wrong and asking themselves how to make it less wrong. Perhaps early Christianity was like that too, before it became mandatory, but it’s certainly not what I remember from my Catholic childhood.

polygamous_bat 4y ago
> the important difference between EA and Christianity, is that all the EA types are looking at everything EA is doing wrong and asking themselves how to make it less wrong. Are they? Because I am meeting a lot of (admittedly self proclaimed) EAs that are busy evangelizing about what "True EA" is and is not, and how SBF was never "True EA". Maybe they are contemplating a lot in their free time, but on a broad stroke it looks like attempting to avoid responsibility to me.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Fair enough; Nae True Scotsman is always annoying, and big-R Rationalists aren’t any better at avoiding such fallacies than anyone else (to their credit, the ones I pay attention to are also annoyed by this). What I’m seeing is mostly online rather than in person meetings; these discussions are “could we have spotted this nonsense sooner?” (general consensus: “probably not, his investors and auditors didn’t and that’s not our skillset”), and “hang on, wasn’t this[0] a red flag?” (which generally gets left unresolved as they get nerd-sniped on the actual discussion rather than staying focused on if it should’ve been a warning sign). [0] https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mdbSL9o8H2Z5mjKaj/fermi-paradox-and-the-st-petersburg-paradox https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mdbSL9o8H2Z5mjKaj/...