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When I hear this sentiment I'm always completely baffled, because it sounds like the person expressing it lives in some other world than I do. No country that I
by kubb 4y ago
When I hear this sentiment I'm always completely baffled, because it sounds like the person expressing it lives in some other world than I do. No country that I know of allows you to collect unemployment benefits forever. You get maybe 1-2 years to find a new job, and after that they leave you on your own. This usually means homelessness. As a homeless person, you might get some food, but many starve and freeze. By no means is that a secure existence.
- luckylion 4y agoYou're not aware that most of Europe exists? What?
- kubb 4y agoNo country in Europe that I know of will give you unemployment benefits forever. There are 44 countries here, please back up your claim and name 10 where you can live without working indefinitely. Otherwise, I'm going to have to assume that you're making stuff up.
- HideousKojima 4y agoThere are other welfare benefits besides unemployment, even in the US. If you qualify for food stamps, medicaid, and section 8 housing you can live without starving or freezing to death, no unemployment benefits needed. I'm sure that comparable types of benefits exist in Europe.
- luckylion 4y agoIs this a joke, or is it some "you don't get unemployment benefits until the end of time, after some months/years you get welfare/social security/some other name" thing? Most European countries have significant percentages of unemployment, and very few people end up on the streets (and starvation is essentially unheard of), that alone should give you a hint that you've missed something in your reading on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state has an introduction and also contains various links to individual state's current setup. Germany is currently in the process of increasing welfare (Bürgergeld, literally "citizen money") to something like 60% of average post-tax income.
- kubb 4y agohttps://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bürgergeld https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bürgergeld "Der Regelsatz des neuen Bürgergelds für alleinstehende Erwachsene soll monatlich 502 Euro betragen (von bisher 449 Euro)." Bürgergeld is increasing Arbeitslosengeld 2 aka Harz VI. They want to increase it from 449 to 502 euro per month. https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/arbeitslosengeld-2/auszahlung-dauer https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/arbeitslosengeld-2/auszahlung-... "Arbeitslosengeld II bekommen Sie normalerweise für 12 Monate". You usually get it for 12 months. It sounds like you're having a cognitive dissonance where your idea of what's happening in Germany doesn't match reality. That might explain why you think my post is a joke.
- luckylion 4y ago> Bürgergeld is increasing Arbeitslosengeld 2 aka Harz VI. They want to increase it from 449 to 502 euro per month. That's the cash-part of it. They also pay for housing + utilities, health insurance and additional costs, it comes down to about 1000-1200 Euros per months for a single adult. > You usually get it for 12 months. Yes, and then you get it for another 12 months. And then another. And another. They require you to renew your claim once a year ("Folgeantrag", "Weiterbewilligungsantrag"), but there is no limit on total duration, the idea is (allegedly, maybe it's just to annoy people, who knows) that you have to prove your eligibility and you'll commit fraud if your claim is fraudulent.
- lostmsu 4y agoI don't think you are really informed on the matter thought. "maybe 1-2 years" here sounds like an educated guess, and the whole point of the article is that that guess is wrong at least in the US.