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The people outside looking in has a clear vision of success that's why they will do everything to be able to migrate. It will still be an upgrade. The people in

The people outside looking in has a clear vision of success that's why they will do everything to be able to migrate. It will still be an upgrade. The people inside have no other reference than their own so everything they lack the immigrant perspective.

dumpsterlid 4y ago
The only difference between the poorest parts of the US and "3rd world countries" is that a (domestic) war upending peoples lives is less likely. Otherwise? Poverty in the US gets intense real fast
- medvezhenok 4y ago
  That is not the only difference. The fact that you can save and have a stable currency and stable rule of law matter a lot too. The U.S. has not experienced an episode of hyperinflation in the last 150 years - that's quite notable. The U.S. certainly has issues and disparities and everything else. But it has vast vast benefits that you can only understand if you've lived somewhere else for a while. That said, Europe probably does a better job at creating a more liveable society, at least since WWII.
- jhgjjhgfjgfjh 4y ago
  This is completely false by almost any economic metric.
- sershe 4y ago
  You clearly know absolutely nothing about poverty. You can just compare monetary numbers - median incomes in many countries are smaller than poverty line in the US. But even by objective standards. I actually feel it for working poor, especially immigrants - they don't get much help because US welfare state is completely out of whack. But non-working poor with free healthcare because hospitals have to treat them, food stamps and tons of private food charity, section 8 and other housing help, etc.? By world standards they live in luxury and they deserve none of it.
  - dumpsterlid 4y ago
    "By world standards they live in luxury and they deserve none of it." What a disgusting thing to say
    - sershe 4y ago
      "What a disgusting thing to say" What a disgusting thing to say Also: but is it true?
UncleOxidant 4y ago
This is a good point. And a lot of what these people inside are fed as a means to success are scams or lotteries. It's easy to become disillusioned pretty quickly when those don't work out.

dumpsterlid 4y ago

The only difference between the poorest parts of the US and "3rd world countries" is that a (domestic) war upending peoples lives is less likely. Otherwise? Poverty in the US gets intense real fast

medvezhenok 4y ago
That is not the only difference. The fact that you can save and have a stable currency and stable rule of law matter a lot too. The U.S. has not experienced an episode of hyperinflation in the last 150 years - that's quite notable. The U.S. certainly has issues and disparities and everything else. But it has vast vast benefits that you can only understand if you've lived somewhere else for a while. That said, Europe probably does a better job at creating a more liveable society, at least since WWII.
jhgjjhgfjgfjh 4y ago
This is completely false by almost any economic metric.
sershe 4y ago
You clearly know absolutely nothing about poverty. You can just compare monetary numbers - median incomes in many countries are smaller than poverty line in the US. But even by objective standards. I actually feel it for working poor, especially immigrants - they don't get much help because US welfare state is completely out of whack. But non-working poor with free healthcare because hospitals have to treat them, food stamps and tons of private food charity, section 8 and other housing help, etc.? By world standards they live in luxury and they deserve none of it.
- dumpsterlid 4y ago
  "By world standards they live in luxury and they deserve none of it." What a disgusting thing to say
  - sershe 4y ago
    "What a disgusting thing to say" What a disgusting thing to say Also: but is it true?

UncleOxidant 4y ago

This is a good point. And a lot of what these people inside are fed as a means to success are scams or lotteries. It's easy to become disillusioned pretty quickly when those don't work out.