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I seriously do not see and never saw how "Web 3.0" is a follow up from web 1 and 2. The whole thing was a hijack by ponzi schemers or just another way to get so
by ugjka 4y ago
I seriously do not see and never saw how "Web 3.0" is a follow up from web 1 and 2. The whole thing was a hijack by ponzi schemers or just another way to get someone to get their life savings into some crypto nonsense.
- bhhaskin 4y agoIt's all just marketing.
- roody15 4y agoExactly… NFT’s blah blah .. blockchain everything .. came off as like a sales pitch and never seemed to resonant as where the web was headed
- k__ 4y agoWeb2: you stop paying a cloud provider, your data is gone. Web3: you stop paying a network, your data stays online. Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave) or because people deem it interesting and pin it (IPFS) Seems like a fundamental improvement to me.
- vkou 4y agoWeb2 - stores exabytes of data. Web3 - stores a few text files and rotten hyperlinks to jpgs of (if you're lucky) poorly-drawn apes and (if you're unlucky) rugs, while setting billions of dollars on fire.
- k__ 4y agoI think, you should look into Filecoin and Arweave. Your assumptions seem to be based on the (rather specific) use-case of art NFTs. They got quite some hype, but to be honest, I didn't get them either.
- this_user 4y agoWhy exactly would you trust random strangers with your critical data rather than use S3?
- jhoechtl 4y agoIn the same sense I trusted my MP3 downloads on eDonkey before the records association played a foul game.
- Godel_unicode 4y agos/played a foul game/forced me to pay for what I’d been stealing/ FTFY.
- Dzugaru 4y agoThere is one reason is that the protocol of storage is open. Doesn't mean the thing can't die obviously, but there is some hope that someone will continue to store the data - there is some incentive (crypto value, however low or unstable that can be) to do that. Also, nothing stops you from storing the critical data in S3 too. I wouldn't bet what will last longer as a permanent storage.
- vkou 4y ago1. Both the mindshare and marketshare of NFTs and similar garbage dwarfs any use of Filecoin. 2. Dropbox and Drive are cheaper and better. S3 is cheaper.
- k__ 4y ago1. That's not really an argument. There is literally exabytes of data on Filecoin (https://stats.filecoin.io/d/z6FtI92Zz/filecoin-chain-stats?orgId=1&refresh=30s&from=now-30m&to=now&kiosk https://stats.filecoin.io/d/z6FtI92Zz/filecoin-chain-stats?o...) 2. And gone if you stop paying.
- vkou 4y ago
- foobiekr 4y agoThis. It is amazing to me that the cult members talk about the fiction as if their take on it is real instead of the reality.
- ok123456 4y agoWeb3: your data is gone once VCs stop incinerating money into Web3 startups.
- k__ 4y agoYes, I think there aren't many chains that could live on without VC money.
- ceejayoz 4y ago> Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave)... https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/21/brush-eastern-colorado-sexting-hearing/ https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/21/brush-eastern-colorado-se... > Two school administrators on Colorado’s Eastern Plains were accused of possessing child pornography when they investigated a school sexting case last April. No one said the men were trying to distribute the images or had bad intent. The girl in the photos and her parents begged police and prosecutors to drop charges against the men. But one of them, 32-year-old Bradley Bass, is facing up to 12 years in prison and the possibility of being branded a sex offender. He’d have to give up his career in education, and wouldn’t be able to parent his toddler and baby boy. > Bass violated a Colorado law that says even unintentionally possessing explicit images of kids is akin to having child pornography. Even parents could be prosecuted under the broad language of the statute. That's not gonna be a fun collision between technology and the legal system.
- mschuster91 4y agoGood god where has common sense in the police and justice system gone so far off the rails that this came to court and didn't get thrown out immediately?!
- smoldesu 4y agoIPFS isn't Web3
- Kiro 4y agoIt's in the Web3 picture in the article.
- k__ 4y agoI met many Protocol Labs people on crypto conferences and they pretty much see themselves as one of the core web3 technologies.
- smoldesu 4y agoThey were very influential to Web3. That being said, it's like saying that BitTorrent is a Web3 protocol just because the general interests/end goals are shared between projects.
- k__ 4y agoThe creator of BitTorrent also sees himself and his technology as an important part of web3.
- Godel_unicode 4y agoWhich is a pretty solid proof that web3 isn’t a real thing.
- dehrmann 4y agoHow does that retention strategy scale?
- lottin 4y agoA fundamental improvement in terms of what? The cloud provider provides a service conditional on being paid, whereas what you call "the network" seems to provide the service for free. Who's paying for the service?
- spaceman_2020 4y agoPaying for things ONLINE with a crypto wallet is legitimately a far, far better experience than fumbling around with credit cards. A seamless on-ramp from a bank account to a crypto wallet will really change the way we pay for things online. I believe this on-ramp is coming with CBDCs. Edit: HN is hopelessly anti Wayne Gretzky when it comes to crypto :D Edit 2: I should have mentioned 'online'
- joneholland 4y agoWhat. Is this trolling? Modern credit payments from a consumer standpoint is tap a card or a phone on a reader.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoWith a 2.5% fee to Visa
- pwinnski 4y agoWhich, in the US, is paid by the vendor, and so invisible. And worth it, given the protections against fraud, etc. If you're claiming that there are vendors giving a 2.5% discount for using crypto for anything, you've got some evidence to produce. P.S. It's not always 2.5%, either. Could be 1.5% at scale.
- nailer 4y ago> If you're claiming that there are vendors giving a 2.5% discount for using crypto for anything, you've got some evidence to produce. Or more, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OxtTGml564 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OxtTGml564 that said technically Visa will punish you by removing you from their network for doing this.
- ehutch79 4y agoUhhh... For real, who has issues paying with a CC at a register? Or contactless payments? Don't crypto payments like bitcoin take a bit to go through? Like longer than you'd want someone tying up a cashier line?
- angry_moose 4y agoParaphrasing this week's TWiT: Web 1.0 and 2.0 were created by engineers to solve problems. Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros to disguise their various scams as the next technology revolution.
- Renaud 4y ago>Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros Web3, not Web 3.0, not the same thing at all, the latter is the next incarnation of Tim Berners-Lee's vision for the web and has nothing to do with finance and crypto bros. It's important to make the distinction because 3.0 is actually important.
- itslennysfault 4y agoHonestly...... 3.0 is actually dead on arrival thanks to the proliferation of "Web3" the brand damage is done and "3.0" should find a new name ASAP.
- mkl95 4y agoImo Web 3.0 is Webtransport / Webassembly / WebGPU. But Web 2.0+ may be a more fitting name.
- rhn_mk1 4y agoI was thinking that web 3 would be fitting for ActivityPub, WebTorrent, Namecoin and IPFS.
- smoldesu 4y agoNo? ActivityPub is a protocol over HTTP - that's solidly last-gen. IPFS is caught between iterations but IMO is solidly Web2, and WebTorrent/Namecoin are abstractions over pre-existing technology. I think that's appropriate for a Web2.1 starter-pack, maybe.
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- edgyquant 4y agoWeb3 as decentralized services is the logical next step. Ethereum stealing the name and doing everything they can to be associated with it is a load of bs taking away the glamor from real decentralized services that I assure you are coming
- larsonnn 4y agoWhat is the meaning of decentralized services ?
- edgyquant 4y agoThis is not a good faith question, Google it
- Godel_unicode 4y agoThis is not a good faith answer, it is however the type of thing that turns a lot of people off to cryptocurrency. If you google decentralized service in an incognito tab you’ll see why people ask this. The rest of the world gets Wikipedia articles about engineering distributed systems (like database clusters) and distributed consensus (like raft). Since that’s (probably) not what you mean, I submit that as the person using a standard term in a non-standard way that it’s on you to define it.
- edgyquant 4y agoI specifically stated that I was not referring to cryptocurrency, I’m certainly not an advocate. Every engineer knows what a decentralized service is and any who doesn’t will Google the term. You are asking it bad faith hoping I was a cryptobro. It’s an obvious red herring and I’m not feeding the troll.
- Godel_unicode 4y agoThat’s quite the chip you have on your shoulder, too bad. Could have been an interesting discussion. For instance, Web 1.0 was already a decentralized system, as was the DNS which came before it. Why the version change? Questions have been asked, and vitriol has been your only response. Who’s actually the troll, one wonders.
- nailer 4y ago> The whole thing was a hijack by ponzi schemers or just another way to get someone to get their life savings into some crypto nonsense. Speculating on 'crypto' can indeed be considered nonsense. Owning your identity (instead of Google) and being able to communicate and send money directly to your peers for almost free (instead of Facebook / Twitter controlling who youcan communicate with, and Visa / Wise.com taking a chunk of all your transactions) is a MASSIVE deal.
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- vkou 4y agoThe solution to the first problem already exists (It's called having your own public/private key), and the solution to the second is to live in pretty much anywhere that's not the United States. Neither of which requires you to pay a cent to the early adopters of the token of the week. The second isn't as much of a killer app as you think to normies, and neither is the first.
- nailer 4y agoYes, wallets are essentially client side keypairs plus other tech. They’re way easier to use though as I’m sure anyone with experience in client side keypairs will tell you. I don’t live in the US and I assure you Visa is still a very big part of daily life in all of Europe, Asia and Australia.