The donuts example is that some people go not for any shared belief, but for a material benefit that cynically uses the group’s goodwill. But your choice of sar

The donuts example is that some people go not for any shared belief, but for a material benefit that cynically uses the group’s goodwill. But your choice of sarcasm and “boy isn’t this ridiculous” rhetoric shows that you aren’t even attempting to steelman the argument. Therefore I’ll end with this one last post. And rereading your very first response, I should have caught this earlier: My arguments I haven’t once made the claim that these bigger religions aren’t cults; I haven’t made any claim in that department. My claim are about why people attend. More specifically, that there is a wide variety of reasons that aren’t because they aren’t believers.