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Musk has cut basically all company perks

6 points by mzs 4y ago

Finnucane 4y ago
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
gvb 4y ago
No big deal, the elves are already gone. https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-%E2%80%93-soda%E2%80%99s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...
- mikkergp 4y ago
  To expand on this idea a bit, I don’t even drink soda. I don’t really use most of the company perks, and I would probably succeed in a moderate version of Musk’s culture. And yet. I think those cultural artifacts are a sign that at the end of the day the company will treat will respect you, respect your work and treat you as a whole person. It’s both, they’ll give you the autonomy to own your work and won’t get mad at you for missing work to be at the birth of your first child. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-email-tesla-employee-2015-5?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-email-tesla-employ...
  - Finnucane 4y ago
    Next week, Musk announces he will personally approve all bathroom breaks.
    - mikkergp 4y ago
      Having a hall pass in high school really helped me understand my place in the world, I'm glad to have that back.
newaccount2021 4y ago
JohnClark1337 4y ago
RobertWHurst 4y ago
Absolute cringe. I'm not going to say I don't like these sorts of perks, but it shouldn't be considered a norm. If your team works nights to ship product, spends a lot of extra time in the office, sure it makes sense that these benefits are offered, but unless it's in your employment contract, your not entitled to them, and honestly, when staff that work regular 9 to 5 easy does it style days get the same perks as the staff working 20 extra hours a week it's a slap in the face to those who worked for it.
- exitb 4y ago
  It’s not that it should be considered norm, but in this case it’s simply a pay cut. Which, considering the situation, isn’t great. Most of the company has just been laid off and the remaining employees are being asked to work basically as hard as they can. And now, on top of that the wealthiest person in the world is asking them to work for a bit less compensation.
  - RobertWHurst 4y ago
    In regards to a pay cut, I'm not moved by that argument. The pay at Twitter was already very competitive, and it seems very likely that people weren't doing a whole lot of work. As for who the employer's wealth, I don't think that should have anything to do with how staff are compensated. The employer's personal wealth doesn't have anything to do with the value of an employer's labor, which is the only thing that matters when evaluating if compensation is fair. If you're factoring that in then there may be elements of resentment and/or jealousy at play. You should get compensated for the value you produce, full stop.
    - exitb 4y ago
      What you’re talking about should work both ways. Earlier today he sent a message that he intends to make Twitter the highest performing tech company in the world. For such a team, even “competitive compensation” doesn’t sound quite enough.
      - 4y ago
euroderf 4y ago
So Musk waited to announce this until after the survivors had self-selected to stay ? That's a kick in the teeth.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Self-selecting to stay isn't a once-and-for-all decision, though. On any day, any (or many) of them can change their mind and leave.

6 points by mzs 4y ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

gvb 4y ago

No big deal, the elves are already gone. https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-earth-%E2%80%93-soda%E2%80%99s-are-no-longer-free/ https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

mikkergp 4y ago
To expand on this idea a bit, I don’t even drink soda. I don’t really use most of the company perks, and I would probably succeed in a moderate version of Musk’s culture. And yet. I think those cultural artifacts are a sign that at the end of the day the company will treat will respect you, respect your work and treat you as a whole person. It’s both, they’ll give you the autonomy to own your work and won’t get mad at you for missing work to be at the birth of your first child. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-email-tesla-employee-2015-5?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-email-tesla-employ...
- Finnucane 4y ago
  Next week, Musk announces he will personally approve all bathroom breaks.
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    Having a hall pass in high school really helped me understand my place in the world, I'm glad to have that back.

newaccount2021 4y ago

JohnClark1337 4y ago

RobertWHurst 4y ago

Absolute cringe. I'm not going to say I don't like these sorts of perks, but it shouldn't be considered a norm. If your team works nights to ship product, spends a lot of extra time in the office, sure it makes sense that these benefits are offered, but unless it's in your employment contract, your not entitled to them, and honestly, when staff that work regular 9 to 5 easy does it style days get the same perks as the staff working 20 extra hours a week it's a slap in the face to those who worked for it.

exitb 4y ago
It’s not that it should be considered norm, but in this case it’s simply a pay cut. Which, considering the situation, isn’t great. Most of the company has just been laid off and the remaining employees are being asked to work basically as hard as they can. And now, on top of that the wealthiest person in the world is asking them to work for a bit less compensation.
- RobertWHurst 4y ago
  In regards to a pay cut, I'm not moved by that argument. The pay at Twitter was already very competitive, and it seems very likely that people weren't doing a whole lot of work. As for who the employer's wealth, I don't think that should have anything to do with how staff are compensated. The employer's personal wealth doesn't have anything to do with the value of an employer's labor, which is the only thing that matters when evaluating if compensation is fair. If you're factoring that in then there may be elements of resentment and/or jealousy at play. You should get compensated for the value you produce, full stop.
  - exitb 4y ago
    What you’re talking about should work both ways. Earlier today he sent a message that he intends to make Twitter the highest performing tech company in the world. For such a team, even “competitive compensation” doesn’t sound quite enough.
    - 4y ago

euroderf 4y ago

So Musk waited to announce this until after the survivors had self-selected to stay ? That's a kick in the teeth.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Self-selecting to stay isn't a once-and-for-all decision, though. On any day, any (or many) of them can change their mind and leave.