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May I request any and all Qatar world cup -related poster first check out John Oliver's take about that evil spawn of corruption and climate change? After that,

May I request any and all Qatar world cup -related poster first check out John Oliver's take about that evil spawn of corruption and climate change? After that, you won't want to post about that QWC!

dylan604 4y ago
The stories of migrant workers have been part of World Cup for many tournaments. Civil rights has never been a high priority to FIFA, else there would be no country left to choose. The Olympics share the same situation, and apparently, the same level of corruption. Yet we talk about the Olympics.
- polotics 4y ago
  My impression is there is a large gap between the QWC and these whatabouts...
  - dylan604 4y ago
    wasn't intending to be whatabouts. just pointing out that the tournament has a long history of this kind of stuff. it's not new. it might be TIL for people unfamiliar with the tournament, so feel free to pile on and beat a dead horse. as the saying goes, there's no better zealot than a new convert.
    - for1nner 4y ago
      because god forbid we ever actually try to change a thing that is a known bad, right?
    - genocidicbunny 4y ago
      It's not a dead horse if this keeps happening. If anything, it's an unfortunately overly healthy and alive horse. The fact that it's nothing new for the tournament should lead to more condemnation of it, not less.
- TylerE 4y ago
  People increasingly do NOT talk about the Olympics. Last several have been down in viewship by a lot (and increasing).
- eaurouge 4y ago
  I don't recall stadia of previous tournaments being built almost entirely by migrant workers. And said migrants working under such poor conditions. Can you name a few you consider comparable?
  - melagonster 4y ago
    it happened in China, about 100 people died in that time. 6500 and 100 is very different.
    - smcl 4y ago
      Were they international migrants, or domestic? I ask because if it's the latter, you're seeing numbers the CCP were happy to admit to, 100 deaths is already a lot but it is likely to be higher.
      - melagonster 4y ago
        I trust they just normal Chinese worker.
xrayarx 4y ago
I presume this one: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/21/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-qatar-world-cup https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/21/john-ol... He is a comedian, isn’t he? So is this comedy or not? I‘m not British and not a native speaker, I can‘t tell.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  It’s supposed to be a news program that’s funny but it tends to lean a bit hard on the jokes and plays a little loose with the research. Generally accurate but trying a bit too hard for one viewpoint / hilarious outrage.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  There's also tons of resources online from serious people: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=qatar+human+rights+abuse https://duckduckgo.com/?q=qatar+human+rights+abuse
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Corporate propagandist is the truth. As most far left "comedians" on mainstream TV. They really don't do comedy but far left propaganda.
  - smcl 4y ago
    Is there anything in particular you think Oliver (or any other left-leaning comedian) has been wrong about, or is this more of a gut-feel thing? Also is it necessary to specify "left" when talking about comedy? I can't really think of anyone right-wing who can be called a comedian. Guys like Crowder and Gutfeld are the closest but they kinda struggle with joke construction, material and they paint themselves into a corner (and tbh delegitimize themselves a bit) by their uncritical, fawning adoration of some pretty ridiculous political figures.
    - HKH2 4y ago
      If you're looking for good right wing comics, you're not going to hear about them from Hollywood or the Mass Media. Look for them on YouTube or somewhere where you won't get deplatformed for making a joke. People can't even handle sets from Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais without calling for a boycott.
padjo 4y ago
I loved how he did a 20 minute piece full of outrage and then at the end said he was watching the games but we have to “draw a line” somewhere… I mean how about drawing a line at taking part by watching? It’s not too much to ask is it?
- smcl 4y ago
  He's also broadcast a piece extremely critical of Qatar to millions, on balance he's probably earned the right to watch a couple of games
  - padjo 4y ago
    The world is full of people rationalising their involvement in horrible things.
    - smcl 4y ago
      I think that's a setting the stage for a set of purity tests nobody can pass. He's done far more damage to the tournament by making that broadcast as a famous person, than he could by boycotting as an individual. You could argue that he shouldn't have said he would watch it, but I think that would've been dishonest.
      - padjo 4y ago
        What damage has he done to the tournament? I’m not arguing that he should be dishonest, I just find it bizarre that he could seem so outraged but be unwilling to suffer the minor inconvenience of not watching some football matches. The surest way to send a message to FIFA is to hit viewership numbers. Performative outrage will achieve exactly nothing.
        smcl 4y ago
        Are you seriously saying that it’s more important that the number of viewers on ESPN (or whoever, who have already paid FIFA) for USA v Wales reads 5,628,273 rather than 5,628,274 … than a man who has millions of followers loudly and proudly declaring they won’t be swayed by sportswashing and that nobody else should be either (while exposing in detail exactly why)? Come on.
causi 4y ago
Content producers don't care. Do you know the size of the pageview-boner these people get when a mass murderer posts a screed/video online so they can justify talking about it as tech news? It's almost like a game at this point, seeing how long it takes sites I read news about video cards on to figure out a way to generate ad revenue from hate and death.
sfjailbird 4y ago
Now apply this to all of the goods you consume and places you travel.
stareatgoats 4y ago
The divine aura that envelops global tournaments like the World Cup, the Olympic Games etc derives in large part from the principle that we can put political differences aside and engage in friendly combat on a level playing field for a few days, whoever we are. It's a principle constantly under attack from people who believe that politics must infuse everything, that there can be no arena exempt from enforcing whatever is on top of their agenda. And that's ok - there are lines in the sand that must be drawn when amicable jousting is no longer an option. For every major tournament the question needs to be asked, has the host or any participating country crossed that line? And be aware that if we say yes; "the line is crossed", we also sully the divine aura to some extent.
35amxn35 4y ago
Yea no... no thanks. I'll keep watching the World Cup.
rsj_hn 4y ago
Request denied. I've decided to watch a game of the world cup (my first ever, probably just the final) without checking to see what John Oliver has to say about it. I will also not check to see what Kate Winslet's take is. Now I need to find someplace that streams the world cup.

May I request any and all Qatar world cup -related poster first check out John Oliver's take about that evil spawn of corruption and climate change? After that, you won't want to post about that QWC!

dylan604 4y ago

The stories of migrant workers have been part of World Cup for many tournaments. Civil rights has never been a high priority to FIFA, else there would be no country left to choose. The Olympics share the same situation, and apparently, the same level of corruption. Yet we talk about the Olympics.

polotics 4y ago
My impression is there is a large gap between the QWC and these whatabouts...
- dylan604 4y ago
  wasn't intending to be whatabouts. just pointing out that the tournament has a long history of this kind of stuff. it's not new. it might be TIL for people unfamiliar with the tournament, so feel free to pile on and beat a dead horse. as the saying goes, there's no better zealot than a new convert.
  - for1nner 4y ago
    because god forbid we ever actually try to change a thing that is a known bad, right?
  - genocidicbunny 4y ago
    It's not a dead horse if this keeps happening. If anything, it's an unfortunately overly healthy and alive horse. The fact that it's nothing new for the tournament should lead to more condemnation of it, not less.
TylerE 4y ago
People increasingly do NOT talk about the Olympics. Last several have been down in viewship by a lot (and increasing).
eaurouge 4y ago
I don't recall stadia of previous tournaments being built almost entirely by migrant workers. And said migrants working under such poor conditions. Can you name a few you consider comparable?
- melagonster 4y ago
  it happened in China, about 100 people died in that time. 6500 and 100 is very different.
  - smcl 4y ago
    Were they international migrants, or domestic? I ask because if it's the latter, you're seeing numbers the CCP were happy to admit to, 100 deaths is already a lot but it is likely to be higher.
    - melagonster 4y ago
      I trust they just normal Chinese worker.

xrayarx 4y ago

I presume this one: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/21/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-qatar-world-cup https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/21/john-ol... He is a comedian, isn’t he? So is this comedy or not? I‘m not British and not a native speaker, I can‘t tell.

colechristensen 4y ago
It’s supposed to be a news program that’s funny but it tends to lean a bit hard on the jokes and plays a little loose with the research. Generally accurate but trying a bit too hard for one viewpoint / hilarious outrage.
barbazoo 4y ago
There's also tons of resources online from serious people: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=qatar+human+rights+abuse https://duckduckgo.com/?q=qatar+human+rights+abuse
Ekaros 4y ago
Corporate propagandist is the truth. As most far left "comedians" on mainstream TV. They really don't do comedy but far left propaganda.
- smcl 4y ago
  Is there anything in particular you think Oliver (or any other left-leaning comedian) has been wrong about, or is this more of a gut-feel thing? Also is it necessary to specify "left" when talking about comedy? I can't really think of anyone right-wing who can be called a comedian. Guys like Crowder and Gutfeld are the closest but they kinda struggle with joke construction, material and they paint themselves into a corner (and tbh delegitimize themselves a bit) by their uncritical, fawning adoration of some pretty ridiculous political figures.
  - HKH2 4y ago
    If you're looking for good right wing comics, you're not going to hear about them from Hollywood or the Mass Media. Look for them on YouTube or somewhere where you won't get deplatformed for making a joke. People can't even handle sets from Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais without calling for a boycott.

padjo 4y ago

I loved how he did a 20 minute piece full of outrage and then at the end said he was watching the games but we have to “draw a line” somewhere… I mean how about drawing a line at taking part by watching? It’s not too much to ask is it?

smcl 4y ago
He's also broadcast a piece extremely critical of Qatar to millions, on balance he's probably earned the right to watch a couple of games
- padjo 4y ago
  The world is full of people rationalising their involvement in horrible things.
  - smcl 4y ago
    I think that's a setting the stage for a set of purity tests nobody can pass. He's done far more damage to the tournament by making that broadcast as a famous person, than he could by boycotting as an individual. You could argue that he shouldn't have said he would watch it, but I think that would've been dishonest.
    - padjo 4y ago
      What damage has he done to the tournament? I’m not arguing that he should be dishonest, I just find it bizarre that he could seem so outraged but be unwilling to suffer the minor inconvenience of not watching some football matches. The surest way to send a message to FIFA is to hit viewership numbers. Performative outrage will achieve exactly nothing.
      - smcl 4y ago
        Are you seriously saying that it’s more important that the number of viewers on ESPN (or whoever, who have already paid FIFA) for USA v Wales reads 5,628,273 rather than 5,628,274 … than a man who has millions of followers loudly and proudly declaring they won’t be swayed by sportswashing and that nobody else should be either (while exposing in detail exactly why)? Come on.

causi 4y ago

Content producers don't care. Do you know the size of the pageview-boner these people get when a mass murderer posts a screed/video online so they can justify talking about it as tech news? It's almost like a game at this point, seeing how long it takes sites I read news about video cards on to figure out a way to generate ad revenue from hate and death.

sfjailbird 4y ago

Now apply this to all of the goods you consume and places you travel.

stareatgoats 4y ago

The divine aura that envelops global tournaments like the World Cup, the Olympic Games etc derives in large part from the principle that we can put political differences aside and engage in friendly combat on a level playing field for a few days, whoever we are. It's a principle constantly under attack from people who believe that politics must infuse everything, that there can be no arena exempt from enforcing whatever is on top of their agenda. And that's ok - there are lines in the sand that must be drawn when amicable jousting is no longer an option. For every major tournament the question needs to be asked, has the host or any participating country crossed that line? And be aware that if we say yes; "the line is crossed", we also sully the divine aura to some extent.

35amxn35 4y ago

Yea no... no thanks. I'll keep watching the World Cup.

rsj_hn 4y ago

Request denied. I've decided to watch a game of the world cup (my first ever, probably just the final) without checking to see what John Oliver has to say about it. I will also not check to see what Kate Winslet's take is. Now I need to find someplace that streams the world cup.