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The previous president was impeached for taking aid from ukraine lest they investigate invented allegations of corruption. That putin warned of something is me

by syrrim 4y ago

The previous president was impeached for taking aid from ukraine lest they investigate invented allegations of corruption. That putin warned of something is meaningless. Are we expected to roll over whenever a foreign country makes a threat? Most of these threats are empty; even when they aren't, some things they have no right to threaten us about. A country arming itself to protect from a (demonstrably) belligerent neighbour is one such thing. I'm surprised people eat this ridiculous excuse from putin so easily.

kodyo 4y ago
Yes. Biden also threatened to withhold arms from Ukraine to PREVENT them from investigating corruption. And I suppose if the political establishment wants to fund a proxy war against a nuclear power, they would happily cross the red line.
- piva00 4y ago
  Nope, false, you are literally spreading falsehoods and Russian propaganda, not sure if on purpose or just by sheer ignorance [1]: > Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts > It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. [1] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact...
  - kodyo 4y ago
    Best case scenario: I'm right. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-on... Worst case scenario: Biden did exactly what Trump did.
    - piva00 4y ago
      Who is John Solomon? > John F. Solomon is an American journalist who was a contributor to Fox News until late 2020 > in recent years he has been accused of magnifying small scandals, creating fake controversy,[6][7][8] and advancing conspiracy theories. > During the Donald Trump presidency, he advanced Trump-friendly stories including questioning reporting that women who had accused Trump of sexual harassment had also sought payments from partisan political donors[10] and questioning the legitimacy of criminal charges against Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Is that someone who you really want to listen to and agree with? If so, best of luck. You are still spreading the words of people who peddle falsehoods, can't you really see that? Are you so ingrained in this point of view that you will die on that hill?

by syrrim 4y ago

kodyo 4y ago

Yes. Biden also threatened to withhold arms from Ukraine to PREVENT them from investigating corruption. And I suppose if the political establishment wants to fund a proxy war against a nuclear power, they would happily cross the red line.

piva00 4y ago
Nope, false, you are literally spreading falsehoods and Russian propaganda, not sure if on purpose or just by sheer ignorance [1]: > Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts > It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. [1] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact...
- kodyo 4y ago
  Best case scenario: I'm right. https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-on... Worst case scenario: Biden did exactly what Trump did.
  - piva00 4y ago
    Who is John Solomon? > John F. Solomon is an American journalist who was a contributor to Fox News until late 2020 > in recent years he has been accused of magnifying small scandals, creating fake controversy,[6][7][8] and advancing conspiracy theories. > During the Donald Trump presidency, he advanced Trump-friendly stories including questioning reporting that women who had accused Trump of sexual harassment had also sought payments from partisan political donors[10] and questioning the legitimacy of criminal charges against Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Is that someone who you really want to listen to and agree with? If so, best of luck. You are still spreading the words of people who peddle falsehoods, can't you really see that? Are you so ingrained in this point of view that you will die on that hill?