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> However failure is pretty much inevitable at this point I'm pretty sure there will be no failure at all, and Twitter will work just fine.

afavour 4y ago
There have already been failures. If I recall the system for sending two factor auth codes via SMS was down for the best part of a day. Not the end of the site by any means but cracks are showing.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  Well, define 'failure'. Minor outages like the one you are talking about were happening from time to time long before Musk bought Twitter, and it even suffered long outages frequently - remember all those fail whales? I meant that there will be no catastrophic failure that will permanently (or even for a few days) stop Twitter from working at all.
  - fatneckbeardz 4y ago
    failure. noun. with no security team, hackers are able to get in easily. everyone's DMs leak, all the anonymous accounts have their identity revealed, and all Twitter's clients (advertisers) have their bank account info made public.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      Yeah, I don't think anything remotely close to it will happen, unless some of the fired developers have left themselves some backdoors which they'll give (sell) access to it to someone.
      - fatneckbeardz 4y ago
        does this stuff happen automatically? is there a robot that goes out and reads about all the new zero-day exploits and patches all the software without human intervention?
inferiorhuman 4y ago
On Hacker News, everyone's a comedian! And, yeah, as the sibling comment pointed out there've already been failures as a result of some musky action. While Twitter isn't likely to fail on its own, E-Lon is actively causing problems. You need people to deal with that, and even if he had motivated, relevant, and competent engineers… how long will they stay motivated without a paycheck? Let's not forget that whatever code monkeys are left are now personally liable for running afoul of the FTC. Whatever motivation they may have now will run out pretty damn quick once they stop getting paid.
- butlerm 4y ago
  Pretty sure that the developers that are left will not be liable for anything unless they are knowingly participating in criminal activity such as criminal negligence that is the direct cause of someone getting seriously injured or killed. Generally speaking prosecutors want to target the highest level individuals responsible for directing such activity in the first place, not low level implementers who have little say one way or the other.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    For now I'm talking about the FTC consent decree, so administrative penalties not criminal charges. Musky fired the folks who were responsible for ensuring compliance. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/11/musks-lawyer-tells-twitter-staff-they-wont-be-liable-if-company-violates-ftc-consent-decree/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/11/musks-lawyer-tells-twitter...
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  I think that he will soon bring in new developers/support engineers who wouldn't have questionable loyalties and grudges against the new management.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    How do you propose Musky does that with no payroll department? E-Lon walked back the mandatory return-to-office policy last week. Surely if he could find (or thought he could find) suitable replacements he would be pretty comfortable demanding RTO.

afavour 4y ago

There have already been failures. If I recall the system for sending two factor auth codes via SMS was down for the best part of a day. Not the end of the site by any means but cracks are showing.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
Well, define 'failure'. Minor outages like the one you are talking about were happening from time to time long before Musk bought Twitter, and it even suffered long outages frequently - remember all those fail whales? I meant that there will be no catastrophic failure that will permanently (or even for a few days) stop Twitter from working at all.
- fatneckbeardz 4y ago
  failure. noun. with no security team, hackers are able to get in easily. everyone's DMs leak, all the anonymous accounts have their identity revealed, and all Twitter's clients (advertisers) have their bank account info made public.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    Yeah, I don't think anything remotely close to it will happen, unless some of the fired developers have left themselves some backdoors which they'll give (sell) access to it to someone.
    - fatneckbeardz 4y ago
      does this stuff happen automatically? is there a robot that goes out and reads about all the new zero-day exploits and patches all the software without human intervention?

inferiorhuman 4y ago

On Hacker News, everyone's a comedian! And, yeah, as the sibling comment pointed out there've already been failures as a result of some musky action. While Twitter isn't likely to fail on its own, E-Lon is actively causing problems. You need people to deal with that, and even if he had motivated, relevant, and competent engineers… how long will they stay motivated without a paycheck? Let's not forget that whatever code monkeys are left are now personally liable for running afoul of the FTC. Whatever motivation they may have now will run out pretty damn quick once they stop getting paid.

butlerm 4y ago
Pretty sure that the developers that are left will not be liable for anything unless they are knowingly participating in criminal activity such as criminal negligence that is the direct cause of someone getting seriously injured or killed. Generally speaking prosecutors want to target the highest level individuals responsible for directing such activity in the first place, not low level implementers who have little say one way or the other.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  For now I'm talking about the FTC consent decree, so administrative penalties not criminal charges. Musky fired the folks who were responsible for ensuring compliance. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/11/musks-lawyer-tells-twitter-staff-they-wont-be-liable-if-company-violates-ftc-consent-decree/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/11/musks-lawyer-tells-twitter...
Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
I think that he will soon bring in new developers/support engineers who wouldn't have questionable loyalties and grudges against the new management.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  How do you propose Musky does that with no payroll department? E-Lon walked back the mandatory return-to-office policy last week. Surely if he could find (or thought he could find) suitable replacements he would be pretty comfortable demanding RTO.