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Because politics and ideologues are so prevalent and everyone's attaching 'the other' (both sides) for the own. And of course people in 'important' roles who'v

Because politics and ideologues are so prevalent and everyone's attaching 'the other' (both sides) for the own. And of course people in 'important' roles who've been laid off are going to say the company is doomed, these are the probably the worst source to go off. They're not going to say "oh yeah I didn't do much at all really, just bossed people around and spent my budget every year."

emodendroket 4y ago
I don't even doubt that they did a lot of work, but as this article suggests, that's part of the reason why we _wouldn't_ expect the site to just go down in a couple days. If all the servers needed constant manual massaging that would speak more poorly to their work than the other way around.
- headsoup 4y ago
  I guess that highlights that for some time we just won't know the actual effects and everything right now is just posturing and speculating. If in six months (or suitable time period) we see stagnation in releases and technical issues increasing we'll have some data to infer from.
AustinDev 4y ago
I love this comment. It's so salient. It's probably hard for a lot of people on this board to digest but, I feel like most know where you're coming from.
nemo44x 4y ago
- kweingar 4y ago
  I will admit to this. I was so angry at how Musk treated his employees, and I took them at face value when they predicted outages. I still think that we will see outages in the coming weeks and months, but probably not in spectacular fashion. A lot of Musk’s fans get emotional about this too. I remember people gloating when they rolled out the new Twitter Blue, saying that Elon got more done in a couple weeks than Twitter had gotten done in years beforehand. And then they shut it off, and now they’re delaying the relaunch. People were praising Musk’s “moderation council” concept, and then he promptly abandoned it to make these decisions by fiat (and in one case, a poll).
memish 4y ago
It's actually scary how many people, even engineers, put their reputation on the line saying Twitter wouldn't survive the weekend. It wasn't just Twitter employees. It's like a mass psychosis of some kind. It comes off as a kind of desperation, as though they need Elon to fail. Why? What's driving that response?
- whatshisface 4y ago
  The only way a herd can move is by becoming confident that it is moving.
- paganel 4y ago
  > put their reputation on the line saying Twitter wouldn't survive the weekend. Was that a real thing those people were saying? Genuinely asking, as I don't follow any of the former Twitter engineers on, well, Twitter, and if there were any such posts/articles on here I must have missed them.
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  There are a lot of places where the systems would start to fall over if 70-80% of the team departed. Especially since a lot of folks left on bad terms and/or were suddenly terminated. It was the opposite of a smooth handover. So it wasn't unreasonable to think that Twitter would begin experiencing problems. I didn't think that Twitter was going to literally have an unrecoverable system crash and permanently shut its doors, but I thought we'd see some outages or partial breakage over time, which is basically what has happened albeit in an admirably mild way. It comes off as a kind of desperation, as though they need Elon to fail. You don't need to pathologize it, like it's some... deep weirdo psychological yearning. Some people think he's a jerk and wouldn't mind seeing him fall on his face! If a person was staking some significant part of their emotions on their feelings for Musk, yeah, that'd be unhealthy. But I think you are significantly overestimating the emotional weight behind 99.99% of the half-baked Twitter quick takes. It's okay to not like a guy!
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    Just not like him yes, but also probably feel some desire to defend their profession.

emodendroket 4y ago

I don't even doubt that they did a lot of work, but as this article suggests, that's part of the reason why we _wouldn't_ expect the site to just go down in a couple days. If all the servers needed constant manual massaging that would speak more poorly to their work than the other way around.

headsoup 4y ago
I guess that highlights that for some time we just won't know the actual effects and everything right now is just posturing and speculating. If in six months (or suitable time period) we see stagnation in releases and technical issues increasing we'll have some data to infer from.

AustinDev 4y ago

I love this comment. It's so salient. It's probably hard for a lot of people on this board to digest but, I feel like most know where you're coming from.

nemo44x 4y ago

kweingar 4y ago
I will admit to this. I was so angry at how Musk treated his employees, and I took them at face value when they predicted outages. I still think that we will see outages in the coming weeks and months, but probably not in spectacular fashion. A lot of Musk’s fans get emotional about this too. I remember people gloating when they rolled out the new Twitter Blue, saying that Elon got more done in a couple weeks than Twitter had gotten done in years beforehand. And then they shut it off, and now they’re delaying the relaunch. People were praising Musk’s “moderation council” concept, and then he promptly abandoned it to make these decisions by fiat (and in one case, a poll).

memish 4y ago

It's actually scary how many people, even engineers, put their reputation on the line saying Twitter wouldn't survive the weekend. It wasn't just Twitter employees. It's like a mass psychosis of some kind. It comes off as a kind of desperation, as though they need Elon to fail. Why? What's driving that response?

whatshisface 4y ago
The only way a herd can move is by becoming confident that it is moving.
paganel 4y ago
> put their reputation on the line saying Twitter wouldn't survive the weekend. Was that a real thing those people were saying? Genuinely asking, as I don't follow any of the former Twitter engineers on, well, Twitter, and if there were any such posts/articles on here I must have missed them.
JohnBooty 4y ago
There are a lot of places where the systems would start to fall over if 70-80% of the team departed. Especially since a lot of folks left on bad terms and/or were suddenly terminated. It was the opposite of a smooth handover. So it wasn't unreasonable to think that Twitter would begin experiencing problems. I didn't think that Twitter was going to literally have an unrecoverable system crash and permanently shut its doors, but I thought we'd see some outages or partial breakage over time, which is basically what has happened albeit in an admirably mild way. It comes off as a kind of desperation, as though they need Elon to fail. You don't need to pathologize it, like it's some... deep weirdo psychological yearning. Some people think he's a jerk and wouldn't mind seeing him fall on his face! If a person was staking some significant part of their emotions on their feelings for Musk, yeah, that'd be unhealthy. But I think you are significantly overestimating the emotional weight behind 99.99% of the half-baked Twitter quick takes. It's okay to not like a guy!
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Just not like him yes, but also probably feel some desire to defend their profession.