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The americans, germans, french and every other country in the world are all “shit” by those standards - they have all done the same and would do the same again
by ghufran_syed 4y ago
The americans, germans, french and every other country in the world are all “shit” by those standards - they have all done the same and would do the same again if their “national security objectives” required it. Ukraine would do the same to Russia if it could, the reason they aren’t is logistic, not moral.
In every war, the propagandists try to promote the view that this war is a “good” or “just” war - they are all wrong, just slightly different in their degree of “wrongness”.
- idontwantthis 4y agoButwhatabout!
- duxup 4y agoThis war seems pretty a straightforward as far as an unnecessary war of aggression goes. And frankly it seems just as sad to see Russian soldiers throw into the fight to die by their own government.
- elevaet 4y agoSo what's your point? Should we join hands and welcome Russia to help themselves in Ukraine? This whataboutism around Ukraine is emblematic of the problem with misaligned postmodern thinking. The fact of the matter is that Russia has violently invaded Ukraine and they are trying to bend Ukraine against its will. It's wrong and the world _should_ come to their side. Likewise if the tables were turned.
- kodyo 4y agoFunny thing is that the tables WERE turned, by NATO.
- piva00 4y agoHow, exactly?
- kodyo 4y agoJesus Christ. Every US president since the end of the cold war has authorized eastward expansion of NATO, an alliance whose enemy no longer exists. The current president was brokering arms deals with Ukraine. The previous president was delivering on those deals. After the 2014 coup, a major Ukraine energy company, which was cozy with Putin, hired the Vice President’s son in order to cozy up with the new America-friendly regime. The previous president was impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate corruption by the former Vice President. Putin warned that arming or granting membership to Ukraine’s belligerent new government was a red line Russia could not tolerate. NATO did it anyway. The players in the great game fucked around. Pretending nothing happened prior to 2022 is willful ignorance.
- syrrim 4y agoThe previous president was impeached for taking aid from ukraine lest they investigate invented allegations of corruption. That putin warned of something is meaningless. Are we expected to roll over whenever a foreign country makes a threat? Most of these threats are empty; even when they aren't, some things they have no right to threaten us about. A country arming itself to protect from a (demonstrably) belligerent neighbour is one such thing. I'm surprised people eat this ridiculous excuse from putin so easily.
- kodyo 4y agoYes. Biden also threatened to withhold arms from Ukraine to PREVENT them from investigating corruption. And I suppose if the political establishment wants to fund a proxy war against a nuclear power, they would happily cross the red line.
- piva00 4y agoNope, false, you are literally spreading falsehoods and Russian propaganda, not sure if on purpose or just by sheer ignorance [1]: > Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts > It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. [1] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact...
- progrus 4y agoObligatory: https://archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.txt https://archive.org/stream/WarIsARacket/WarIsARacket_djvu.tx...