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Stuff like this makes me wonder if a career pivot to learning to program was a mistake. Smells like everyone but the veeery top 2% is gonna get knocked down to

by boppo1 4y ago

Stuff like this makes me wonder if a career pivot to learning to program was a mistake. Smells like everyone but the veeery top 2% is gonna get knocked down to $100k or below and be treated as lackeys for features dreamt up by sales. https://youtu.be/_NeJ3Kg6OUo https://youtu.be/_NeJ3Kg6OUo

roflyear 4y ago
The high end is certainly overpaid. Many of us know a dev at Amazon that has no business making that mone
GlickWick 4y ago
Competition at the low level is going to be rough. However, it's pretty hyperbolic to say experienced people are going to be dropped under 100k. Are the days of 750k TC due to stock appreciation over? Prolly. Do engineering staff tend to bring considerably more value than they cost at mid-level companies? Yes.
fxtentacle 4y ago
The mistake is likely living in the US because with a $100k salary you'll have a very nice lifestyle in pretty much all of Europe. Even in Singapore that'll pay for a nice flat with rooftop tennis court, pools, and gym in walking distance to 100+ restaurants. With remote work, you're competing against all of those people who are ecstatic about a $80k annual salary.
- muro 4y ago
  Rents in Singapore increased a lot lately, so probably not anymore.
- fred_is_fred 4y ago
  But that doesn't work for people who really like stuff like being able to chew gum.
- SR2Z 4y ago
  Yeah, but remote work is difficult enough to manage IN THE US where people are rarely more than a few hours apart and share a common language and culture. Companies are not going to find it easy to hire Eastern European or Singaporean devs and get them to produce value - at least not any more than they did pre-pandemic. Remote work has been massively overhyped; IMO it does noticeably make organizations less productive after some time has passed and people need to plan the next big project. Seeing someone in-person is insanely high bandwidth. It takes an hour to plan a thing that might have taken a day's worth of frustrating meetings and two design docs. I'm convinced at this point that anyone saying otherwise is either senior enough to be able to browbeat everyone else who has thoughts on their plans (and then design truly awful systems ime) or knows the truth and enjoys the extra free time.
  - ATMLOTTOBEER 4y ago

by boppo1 4y ago

roflyear 4y ago

The high end is certainly overpaid. Many of us know a dev at Amazon that has no business making that mone

GlickWick 4y ago

Competition at the low level is going to be rough. However, it's pretty hyperbolic to say experienced people are going to be dropped under 100k. Are the days of 750k TC due to stock appreciation over? Prolly. Do engineering staff tend to bring considerably more value than they cost at mid-level companies? Yes.

fxtentacle 4y ago

The mistake is likely living in the US because with a $100k salary you'll have a very nice lifestyle in pretty much all of Europe. Even in Singapore that'll pay for a nice flat with rooftop tennis court, pools, and gym in walking distance to 100+ restaurants. With remote work, you're competing against all of those people who are ecstatic about a $80k annual salary.

muro 4y ago
Rents in Singapore increased a lot lately, so probably not anymore.
fred_is_fred 4y ago
But that doesn't work for people who really like stuff like being able to chew gum.
SR2Z 4y ago
Yeah, but remote work is difficult enough to manage IN THE US where people are rarely more than a few hours apart and share a common language and culture. Companies are not going to find it easy to hire Eastern European or Singaporean devs and get them to produce value - at least not any more than they did pre-pandemic. Remote work has been massively overhyped; IMO it does noticeably make organizations less productive after some time has passed and people need to plan the next big project. Seeing someone in-person is insanely high bandwidth. It takes an hour to plan a thing that might have taken a day's worth of frustrating meetings and two design docs. I'm convinced at this point that anyone saying otherwise is either senior enough to be able to browbeat everyone else who has thoughts on their plans (and then design truly awful systems ime) or knows the truth and enjoys the extra free time.
- ATMLOTTOBEER 4y ago