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> I've long been embarrassed that US immigration law so often errs on the side of xenophobia and cruelty. That's the effect of being the single most desirable

by 988747 4y ago

> I've long been embarrassed that US immigration law so often errs on the side of xenophobia and cruelty. That's the effect of being the single most desirable target for immigrants. If US immigration laws were any more lenient, it would be the most populous country on Earth already, way ahead of India and China.

factsarelolz 4y ago
- calculatte 4y ago
  Your understanding seems to be based completely off the agitprop the media passes off as "news" and the politicians push for donations. Provoking fear and anger is the preferred way to capture your attention. It's time to get out of the echo chamber and stop falling for it.
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    > Your understanding seems to be based completely off the agitprop the media passes off as "news" and the politicians push for donations. The FBI is neither of those institutions. https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-evaluating-the-landscape-20-years-after-911-wray-092121 https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-e... https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-strategic-report-2022.pdf/view https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrori... https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1398831/download https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1398831/download https://homeland.house.gov/news/in-the-news/domestic-terrorism-is-a-threat-we-cant-ignore https://homeland.house.gov/news/in-the-news/domestic-terrori...
    - calculatte 4y ago
      Are you joking? Even in recent history, FBI has a record of routinely knowingly lying and spreading propaganda to deceive the American public. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4Q7YGBQns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4Q7YGBQns https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/newly-declassified-document-indicates-fbi-misled-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/newly-de... https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/fbi-lied-to-judge-to-drill-into-1400-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-boxes-lawsuit-says/ https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/fbi-lied-to-judge-t... https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-lie-but-hid-that-truth/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-...
      - factsarelolz 4y ago
        So who do we believe then?
- nebula8804 4y ago
  It remains to be seen if this is the beginning of a new century of US dominance thanks to the US's relatively good demographics or if the iceberg has hit the titanic and we don't know it yet. Your reasoning may contribute to convincing some top talent to skip the US but my bet is that if the economic winds change due to an empire in decline then those scenarios you listed become magnified.
- qazxcvbnmlp 4y ago
  While these groups are certainly present, they are a such a small tiny fraction of a percent, that you can live a happy life without seeing or worrying about them. I lived in a small town that was known for white supremacy and in practice most people there could care less.
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    According to Federal Agencies it is not a small tiny fraction, there are thousands of Domestic Terrorist activities. https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-evaluating-the-landscape-20-years-after-911-wray-092121 https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-e...
- nostrademons 4y ago
  There's a pretty wide range of hostility to outsiders, and the U.S. is not in the bottom half. The U.S. is basically embarrassing compared to...Canada, and maybe some smaller English-speaking countries like Australia, New Zealand, and Iceland. But compared to Russia, or Qatar, or even relatively developed countries like France and Japan, the U.S. is paradise for immigrants.
- 988747 4y ago
  I meant "desirable" as in "there are many millions of people trying to get there, every year". Some of those people even risk their lives for it. How they are treated after they get there is a completely separate topic.

by 988747 4y ago

factsarelolz 4y ago

calculatte 4y ago
Your understanding seems to be based completely off the agitprop the media passes off as "news" and the politicians push for donations. Provoking fear and anger is the preferred way to capture your attention. It's time to get out of the echo chamber and stop falling for it.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > Your understanding seems to be based completely off the agitprop the media passes off as "news" and the politicians push for donations. The FBI is neither of those institutions. https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-evaluating-the-landscape-20-years-after-911-wray-092121 https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-e... https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-strategic-report-2022.pdf/view https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrori... https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1398831/download https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1398831/download https://homeland.house.gov/news/in-the-news/domestic-terrorism-is-a-threat-we-cant-ignore https://homeland.house.gov/news/in-the-news/domestic-terrori...
  - calculatte 4y ago
    Are you joking? Even in recent history, FBI has a record of routinely knowingly lying and spreading propaganda to deceive the American public. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4Q7YGBQns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4Q7YGBQns https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/newly-declassified-document-indicates-fbi-misled-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/newly-de... https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/fbi-lied-to-judge-to-drill-into-1400-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-boxes-lawsuit-says/ https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/fbi-lied-to-judge-t... https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-lie-but-hid-that-truth/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-knew-russiagate-was-a-...
    - factsarelolz 4y ago
      So who do we believe then?
nebula8804 4y ago
It remains to be seen if this is the beginning of a new century of US dominance thanks to the US's relatively good demographics or if the iceberg has hit the titanic and we don't know it yet. Your reasoning may contribute to convincing some top talent to skip the US but my bet is that if the economic winds change due to an empire in decline then those scenarios you listed become magnified.
qazxcvbnmlp 4y ago
While these groups are certainly present, they are a such a small tiny fraction of a percent, that you can live a happy life without seeing or worrying about them. I lived in a small town that was known for white supremacy and in practice most people there could care less.
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  According to Federal Agencies it is not a small tiny fraction, there are thousands of Domestic Terrorist activities. https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-evaluating-the-landscape-20-years-after-911-wray-092121 https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/threats-to-the-homeland-e...
nostrademons 4y ago
There's a pretty wide range of hostility to outsiders, and the U.S. is not in the bottom half. The U.S. is basically embarrassing compared to...Canada, and maybe some smaller English-speaking countries like Australia, New Zealand, and Iceland. But compared to Russia, or Qatar, or even relatively developed countries like France and Japan, the U.S. is paradise for immigrants.
988747 4y ago
I meant "desirable" as in "there are many millions of people trying to get there, every year". Some of those people even risk their lives for it. How they are treated after they get there is a completely separate topic.