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- Pure HTML / CSS / vanilla JS sites. It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene, but I'm always a fan of inspecting sites that don't bloat themselves wit

- Pure HTML / CSS / vanilla JS sites. It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene, but I'm always a fan of inspecting sites that don't bloat themselves with unnecessary frameworks. - Sites that work without JavaScript. Even better than the first, it's always a pleasure to see when a site is made properly for a change, without the toxicity of JavaScript that pervades the world wide web (WWW) as we know it.

jcpst 4y ago
As a recovering former SPA enthusiast, coming back to the simplicity of HTML/CSS/JS over the past few years has been a breath of fresh air.
mNovak 4y ago
It is really strange how this is a niche now (the frameworks); a couple lines of JS to handle button clicks is fine with me (again assuming you're not downloading jQuery for it)
dorfsmay 4y ago
For tiny very specific problems that can be done under 2 k lines, I love a single self contained page that includes the necessary html/ja/CSS!
- WhyCause 4y ago
  I've made a few "games" that go a step further, including images as SVG or base64 encoded binary. I use them mainly for learning / testing new (to me) concepts.
jw_cook 4y ago
Are there any particular communities or groups for this you can recommend? Here are a few I've discovered that I've really been enjoying lately: https://tildeverse.org https://tildeverse.org (EDIT: apparently they don't like being linked to from HN; copy and paste the link instead of clicking it) https://indieweb.org https://indieweb.org https://neocities.org https://neocities.org I think the main focus of those communities is recapturing the spirit of the (arguably more fun) internet of the 90s to early 2000s. They're not specifically dedicated to static site minimalism, but there's definitely a large overlap.
- ckozlowski 4y ago
  That tildeverse URL is not going where you think it is...(Currently set to Rickroll.)
  - jw_cook 4y ago
    Ah, I forgot, it specifically does that when referred from HN. Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29449238 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29449238 Two of the more active communities: https://tilde.team https://tilde.team https://tilde.club https://tilde.club
    - ckozlowski 4y ago
      Thanks!
- halfcat 4y ago
  I’ve found the HTMX community to fit this, and not in a nostalgic way. It’s a very useful and functional option if you’re wanting to build a reactive site while shipping less JavaScript.
- _carbyau_ 4y ago
  TIL from the tilde quotes site: 16:00 <acdw> butter is just a loaf of milk ...ok.
- culi 4y ago
  Don't forget gossipsweb.net See also: html.energy
bob1029 4y ago
> It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene Not sure about niche. Maybe more... understated, proprietary and confidential. We've been doing totally vanilla HTML/JS/CSS web apps for our B2B customers for the last 3-4 years. In fact, we can't use your typical web frameworks because our contracts are measured in half-decades and due diligence against our vendors makes it infeasible to participate in that kind of ecosystem. Banking is a great industry to get into if you want to get frameworks out of your life. You have the perfect bat to use. "Oh.. I don't know about that... is Angular 12 still going to be around and supported halfway through this client's seven-figure contract?". Doing pure web in 2022 is hard. It's mostly a human/courage thing. The technology is easier than its ever been. But, you have to stand your ground day after day against this onslaught of cargo cult web dev. The outcome is worth whatever salty arguments you get into. >the toxicity of JavaScript I understand the sentiment. I'd probably use similar diction if I had to screw around with NPM-style projects for a living. That said, javascript itself can be an answer to this vendor bloat if used very carefully.
RunSet 4y ago
> Sites that work without JavaScript. Perhaps you will like this: https://lokilist.com/about.php https://lokilist.com/about.php If you have feedback, please send it to me via the contact page.
divbzero 4y ago
> Pure HTML / CSS / vanilla JS sites. It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene, but I'm always a fan of inspecting sites that don't bloat themselves with unnecessary frameworks. To expand on this, I like thinking about how standard browser APIs can act as the framework without using third-party libraries. An early example was document.querySelectorAll obviating the need for jQuery’s wonderful $. More recently, I’ve waited eagerly for Web Components to come into their prime, which has been just a year or two away for a decade now.
kinow 4y ago
>- Sites that work without JavaScript. Even better than the first, it's always a pleasure to see when a site is made properly for a change, without the toxicity of JavaScript that pervades the world wide web (WWW) as we know it. I kept the colors I used before, but dropped JavaScript and tried to use CSS that is compatible with multiple browsers. It has been a learning experience, but very interesting to see how far I can get to with just HTML and CSS. Now I've started focusing on semantic web tags, and accessibility testing. Much easier without JavaScript. - Site: https://kinoshita.eti.br/ https://kinoshita.eti.br/ - Source: https://github.com/kinow/kinoshita.eti.br/ https://github.com/kinow/kinoshita.eti.br/
culi 4y ago
Just made my brother a website[0] for his elderly care business and it was a joy to finally make a site that got perfect lighthouse scores. The only JS used is for a slideshow-modal. I didn't even minify the css or js because I've had some good memories of inspecting certain websites to find totally readable code behind them [0] https://a1elderly.care/ https://a1elderly.care/

jcpst 4y ago

As a recovering former SPA enthusiast, coming back to the simplicity of HTML/CSS/JS over the past few years has been a breath of fresh air.

mNovak 4y ago

It is really strange how this is a niche now (the frameworks); a couple lines of JS to handle button clicks is fine with me (again assuming you're not downloading jQuery for it)

dorfsmay 4y ago

For tiny very specific problems that can be done under 2 k lines, I love a single self contained page that includes the necessary html/ja/CSS!

WhyCause 4y ago
I've made a few "games" that go a step further, including images as SVG or base64 encoded binary. I use them mainly for learning / testing new (to me) concepts.

jw_cook 4y ago

Are there any particular communities or groups for this you can recommend? Here are a few I've discovered that I've really been enjoying lately: https://tildeverse.org https://tildeverse.org (EDIT: apparently they don't like being linked to from HN; copy and paste the link instead of clicking it) https://indieweb.org https://indieweb.org https://neocities.org https://neocities.org I think the main focus of those communities is recapturing the spirit of the (arguably more fun) internet of the 90s to early 2000s. They're not specifically dedicated to static site minimalism, but there's definitely a large overlap.

ckozlowski 4y ago
That tildeverse URL is not going where you think it is...(Currently set to Rickroll.)
- jw_cook 4y ago
  Ah, I forgot, it specifically does that when referred from HN. Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29449238 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29449238 Two of the more active communities: https://tilde.team https://tilde.team https://tilde.club https://tilde.club
  - ckozlowski 4y ago
    Thanks!
halfcat 4y ago
I’ve found the HTMX community to fit this, and not in a nostalgic way. It’s a very useful and functional option if you’re wanting to build a reactive site while shipping less JavaScript.
_carbyau_ 4y ago
TIL from the tilde quotes site: 16:00 <acdw> butter is just a loaf of milk ...ok.
culi 4y ago
Don't forget gossipsweb.net See also: html.energy

bob1029 4y ago

> It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene Not sure about niche. Maybe more... understated, proprietary and confidential. We've been doing totally vanilla HTML/JS/CSS web apps for our B2B customers for the last 3-4 years. In fact, we can't use your typical web frameworks because our contracts are measured in half-decades and due diligence against our vendors makes it infeasible to participate in that kind of ecosystem. Banking is a great industry to get into if you want to get frameworks out of your life. You have the perfect bat to use. "Oh.. I don't know about that... is Angular 12 still going to be around and supported halfway through this client's seven-figure contract?". Doing pure web in 2022 is hard. It's mostly a human/courage thing. The technology is easier than its ever been. But, you have to stand your ground day after day against this onslaught of cargo cult web dev. The outcome is worth whatever salty arguments you get into. >the toxicity of JavaScript I understand the sentiment. I'd probably use similar diction if I had to screw around with NPM-style projects for a living. That said, javascript itself can be an answer to this vendor bloat if used very carefully.

RunSet 4y ago

> Sites that work without JavaScript. Perhaps you will like this: https://lokilist.com/about.php https://lokilist.com/about.php If you have feedback, please send it to me via the contact page.

divbzero 4y ago

> Pure HTML / CSS / vanilla JS sites. It's a shame that it's turned into a niche scene, but I'm always a fan of inspecting sites that don't bloat themselves with unnecessary frameworks. To expand on this, I like thinking about how standard browser APIs can act as the framework without using third-party libraries. An early example was document.querySelectorAll obviating the need for jQuery’s wonderful $. More recently, I’ve waited eagerly for Web Components to come into their prime, which has been just a year or two away for a decade now.

kinow 4y ago

>- Sites that work without JavaScript. Even better than the first, it's always a pleasure to see when a site is made properly for a change, without the toxicity of JavaScript that pervades the world wide web (WWW) as we know it. I kept the colors I used before, but dropped JavaScript and tried to use CSS that is compatible with multiple browsers. It has been a learning experience, but very interesting to see how far I can get to with just HTML and CSS. Now I've started focusing on semantic web tags, and accessibility testing. Much easier without JavaScript. - Site: https://kinoshita.eti.br/ https://kinoshita.eti.br/ - Source: https://github.com/kinow/kinoshita.eti.br/ https://github.com/kinow/kinoshita.eti.br/

culi 4y ago

Just made my brother a website[0] for his elderly care business and it was a joy to finally make a site that got perfect lighthouse scores. The only JS used is for a slideshow-modal. I didn't even minify the css or js because I've had some good memories of inspecting certain websites to find totally readable code behind them [0] https://a1elderly.care/ https://a1elderly.care/