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Google sets rules for HQ guest speakers after row over Indian historian -emails

10 points by bhartzer 4y ago

gsatic 4y ago
Man do these people have a lot of free time, when they aren't injecting ads into everything.
rurban 4y ago
So who is now forbidden to speak? Brahman or Dalit? So far the Google Brahman clique rejected their critics, to keep the cast system in it's well deserved rank and order /s
desi_ninja 4y ago
the problem is certain groups thrive on the American's lack of information about Indian society to spread their misinformation as truth. Caste, being a complex issue, has been reduced india to rural areas. Any cases about caste favoritism or discrimination area dealt with public outcry and government laws. Meritocracy is the currency in the new Indian tech space. Caste as portrayed by American newspapers and "human rights" agencies is that every Hindu (they single out, even though caste problem exists in all religions in India Pakistan Bangladesh etc) comes with caste lense, which is untrue. There has been a deliberate attempt to make Brahim = white so that US left liberals can easily make oppressor-opressed connections. Reality is way different and complex but nobody wants to read sources. In many parts lower castes are in high power, and they exert atrocities on everyone else - other lower castes and higher castes. Whole India is riddled with examples like that. Person in power exploits poor person. Caste is just a tool. Again, with public outcry and strict laws, it has been relegated to deep rural areas of India. You won't find it easily in cities. What all this points to ? This is an attempt to dehumanize hindu population, attack hindu tech workers (who are micro minority in USA) and erode any goodwill around India. Take this article for example, it doesn't go into the Dalit activists obvious misinterpretations but paints Rajiv Malhotra as devil incarnate. Propaganda pieces rarely show their teeth this easily. Any follower of reuters will form their opinion by reading such propaganda piece. Salvatore Babones, american statistician warned about same thing - Salvatore Babones | Demonising A Democracy? | India Today Conclave 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkFwDk7TUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkFwDk7TUQ . For a western audience, India is becoming a fascist state even though ground reality is entirely opposite because they are surrounded by media reports which say so. If you repeat lie long enough, it becomes the truth.
- shitpostbot 4y ago
- yummypaint 4y ago
  All of the caste discrimination and violence I've heard of that took place in the US was perpetred against members of lower castes, particularly Dalits. Microsoft, apple, google, cisco, have all had major problems with caste discrimination, and these aren't isolated incidents. If india had truly moved on from caste, then it would not spontaneously reemerge in organizations without measures explicitly prohibiting it.
  - desi_ninja 4y ago
    You "heard" it all around you recently is what proves my point. American media is desperately trying to paint Hindus = casteist angle for last few years now. So headlines are deliberately modified to amplify caste angle even when there is none. There aren't any cases about caste- there is only 1 Cisco case which was repeated on and on by media. Read its rebuttal by Hindu American Foundation https://www.hinduamerican.org/press/california-cisco-case-violates-religious-freedom https://www.hinduamerican.org/press/california-cisco-case-vi... As for caste awareness, do you believe Pew research is the best research agency out there ? Here is their 2021 paper on caste in India. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/attitudes-about-caste/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/attitudes-ab... It also has a paper about caste dynamics of Indians coming to USA where it mentioned 95% of Indians are unaware of their caste identity (i will find that link too). Meanwhile read the linked one. Most Indians don't face discrimination based on caste

10 points by bhartzer 4y ago

Man do these people have a lot of free time, when they aren't injecting ads into everything.

So who is now forbidden to speak? Brahman or Dalit? So far the Google Brahman clique rejected their critics, to keep the cast system in it's well deserved rank and order /s

desi_ninja 4y ago

the problem is certain groups thrive on the American's lack of information about Indian society to spread their misinformation as truth. Caste, being a complex issue, has been reduced india to rural areas. Any cases about caste favoritism or discrimination area dealt with public outcry and government laws. Meritocracy is the currency in the new Indian tech space. Caste as portrayed by American newspapers and "human rights" agencies is that every Hindu (they single out, even though caste problem exists in all religions in India Pakistan Bangladesh etc) comes with caste lense, which is untrue. There has been a deliberate attempt to make Brahim = white so that US left liberals can easily make oppressor-opressed connections. Reality is way different and complex but nobody wants to read sources. In many parts lower castes are in high power, and they exert atrocities on everyone else - other lower castes and higher castes. Whole India is riddled with examples like that. Person in power exploits poor person. Caste is just a tool. Again, with public outcry and strict laws, it has been relegated to deep rural areas of India. You won't find it easily in cities. What all this points to ? This is an attempt to dehumanize hindu population, attack hindu tech workers (who are micro minority in USA) and erode any goodwill around India. Take this article for example, it doesn't go into the Dalit activists obvious misinterpretations but paints Rajiv Malhotra as devil incarnate. Propaganda pieces rarely show their teeth this easily. Any follower of reuters will form their opinion by reading such propaganda piece. Salvatore Babones, american statistician warned about same thing - Salvatore Babones | Demonising A Democracy? | India Today Conclave 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkFwDk7TUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkFwDk7TUQ . For a western audience, India is becoming a fascist state even though ground reality is entirely opposite because they are surrounded by media reports which say so. If you repeat lie long enough, it becomes the truth.

shitpostbot 4y ago
yummypaint 4y ago
All of the caste discrimination and violence I've heard of that took place in the US was perpetred against members of lower castes, particularly Dalits. Microsoft, apple, google, cisco, have all had major problems with caste discrimination, and these aren't isolated incidents. If india had truly moved on from caste, then it would not spontaneously reemerge in organizations without measures explicitly prohibiting it.
- desi_ninja 4y ago
  You "heard" it all around you recently is what proves my point. American media is desperately trying to paint Hindus = casteist angle for last few years now. So headlines are deliberately modified to amplify caste angle even when there is none. There aren't any cases about caste- there is only 1 Cisco case which was repeated on and on by media. Read its rebuttal by Hindu American Foundation https://www.hinduamerican.org/press/california-cisco-case-violates-religious-freedom https://www.hinduamerican.org/press/california-cisco-case-vi... As for caste awareness, do you believe Pew research is the best research agency out there ? Here is their 2021 paper on caste in India. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/attitudes-about-caste/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/attitudes-ab... It also has a paper about caste dynamics of Indians coming to USA where it mentioned 95% of Indians are unaware of their caste identity (i will find that link too). Meanwhile read the linked one. Most Indians don't face discrimination based on caste