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If these are "ads" then I had "ads" in my iOS settings app and throughout the interface. I'm not saying this is wrong, I just don't understand why Microsoft is

If these are "ads" then I had "ads" in my iOS settings app and throughout the interface. I'm not saying this is wrong, I just don't understand why Microsoft is being singled out. I get it, bashing MS gets clicks from old geeks like me but come on, these aren't "banner ads" or MS selling the start menu to the highest bidder ... it's them pushing their own services that extend Windows ... just like iCloud.

alexb_ 4y ago
>If these are "ads" then I had "ads" in my iOS settings app and throughout the interface. Correct! Both of these are bad!
- josefresco 4y ago
  I agree! Let's just not give Apple or Google a free pass.
adql 4y ago
They are not "singled out" it's just article about new misfeature added?
- josefresco 4y ago
  I believe it's the second article popular on HN about this exact issue in less than 1-2 weeks? It seems if you're a blogger, bashing MS is a winning formula. Having lived through the "MS is evil" years I'm sensitive to when others are given a pass for similar, or worse behavior.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    As opposed to what, not trying to hold large companies to task for their behavior?
wzdd 4y ago
The article mentions that Microsoft is also promoting third-party "common websites", such as Etsy and Twitter. This seems a bit problematic -- if they're paid-for placements then they are unambiguously ads, but if they're not paid-for placements then one has to wonder how much damage they'd do to Etsy or Twitter competitors. (They also look pretty distracting if you're after your recently-used files and already know about these websites!)
- josefresco 4y ago
  I agree third-party promotion isn't great, but what they're describing is what my browser already does (selling start page placement).
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    "other people are already putting ads on the side of their buildings, why shouldn't they be able to throw them up on my house too?". said no one, ever.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      You should relay this opinion to Apple, Mozilla and all of the other companies selling ad-spots in their software.
  - dmonitor 4y ago
    this is bad too
boringg 4y ago
iOS isn't even mentioned in the article. Why are you complaining about MS getting "singled out". ?
- josefresco 4y ago
  > iOS isn't even mentioned in the article. This is my point - Apple and Google are given passes while everyone dunks on the old, increasingly irrelevant, dead horse.
  - moistly 4y ago
    Such a false narrative. Literally every thread about Apple, Google, or Microsoft has people bashing Apple, Google, and Microsoft, even when the topic has absolutely nothing to do with the companies not named in the headline.
howinteresting 4y ago
Correct. iOS is one of the worst offenders in the category of operating systems pushing paid services on you. Unfortunately, a lot of people here and elsewhere get really upset when you make the simple observation that iOS is adware. Linux is the only modern OS that doesn't have ads. (Though Ubuntu is trying to change that...)
- ok123456 4y ago
  Ubuntu tried that years ago with Ubuntu One and amazon integration in Unity and it was a flop.
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    They're at it again, sadly: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad
yummypaint 4y ago
I have autodesk inventor installed on my windows machine. When i click the start menu and type "inventor," not only does it fail to give me a button to launch the program, but it instead shows me ads for things like candy crush. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't consider that an extension of the operating system's capabilities. It's especially galling because this is already a solved problem, and there is no technical issue causing it. It's microsoft intentionally making their user experience worse because they are betting it will make them money. The win95 start menu was better for launching programs. The Spotlight search tool as it existed in osX in 2007 was vastly superior for search.
- josefresco 4y ago
  I'm not seeing this behavior on multiple Windows 11 machines. When I type "inventor" I see files, web, document and then app results. After my 3rd or 4th test, I saw Bing web results in the right hand panel which did include ads (ironically for the exact software you mentioned). Are these the ads to which you are referring?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  FYI, you can right click on the candy crush ad, say hide, and never see it again, period. You can do this with most "ads" on windows 10. My start menu looks like it did in the 7 days, because I turned off the entire side panel that had all the "tiles". Even the panel that comes up when I click in the "search" bar (which is not the start menu!) is devoid of basically any tiles, because they are all hidden. I literally never saw the candy crush tile, because I installed windows myself from a microsoft CD, turned off every option on the "personalization" or whatever page when you do a fresh install, and have no OEM bloatware as well.

alexb_ 4y ago

>If these are "ads" then I had "ads" in my iOS settings app and throughout the interface. Correct! Both of these are bad!

josefresco 4y ago
I agree! Let's just not give Apple or Google a free pass.

adql 4y ago

They are not "singled out" it's just article about new misfeature added?

josefresco 4y ago
I believe it's the second article popular on HN about this exact issue in less than 1-2 weeks? It seems if you're a blogger, bashing MS is a winning formula. Having lived through the "MS is evil" years I'm sensitive to when others are given a pass for similar, or worse behavior.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  As opposed to what, not trying to hold large companies to task for their behavior?

wzdd 4y ago

The article mentions that Microsoft is also promoting third-party "common websites", such as Etsy and Twitter. This seems a bit problematic -- if they're paid-for placements then they are unambiguously ads, but if they're not paid-for placements then one has to wonder how much damage they'd do to Etsy or Twitter competitors. (They also look pretty distracting if you're after your recently-used files and already know about these websites!)

josefresco 4y ago
I agree third-party promotion isn't great, but what they're describing is what my browser already does (selling start page placement).
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  "other people are already putting ads on the side of their buildings, why shouldn't they be able to throw them up on my house too?". said no one, ever.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    You should relay this opinion to Apple, Mozilla and all of the other companies selling ad-spots in their software.
- dmonitor 4y ago
  this is bad too

boringg 4y ago

iOS isn't even mentioned in the article. Why are you complaining about MS getting "singled out". ?

josefresco 4y ago
> iOS isn't even mentioned in the article. This is my point - Apple and Google are given passes while everyone dunks on the old, increasingly irrelevant, dead horse.
- moistly 4y ago
  Such a false narrative. Literally every thread about Apple, Google, or Microsoft has people bashing Apple, Google, and Microsoft, even when the topic has absolutely nothing to do with the companies not named in the headline.

howinteresting 4y ago

Correct. iOS is one of the worst offenders in the category of operating systems pushing paid services on you. Unfortunately, a lot of people here and elsewhere get really upset when you make the simple observation that iOS is adware. Linux is the only modern OS that doesn't have ads. (Though Ubuntu is trying to change that...)

ok123456 4y ago
Ubuntu tried that years ago with Ubuntu One and amazon integration in Unity and it was a flop.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  They're at it again, sadly: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad

yummypaint 4y ago

I have autodesk inventor installed on my windows machine. When i click the start menu and type "inventor," not only does it fail to give me a button to launch the program, but it instead shows me ads for things like candy crush. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't consider that an extension of the operating system's capabilities. It's especially galling because this is already a solved problem, and there is no technical issue causing it. It's microsoft intentionally making their user experience worse because they are betting it will make them money. The win95 start menu was better for launching programs. The Spotlight search tool as it existed in osX in 2007 was vastly superior for search.

josefresco 4y ago
I'm not seeing this behavior on multiple Windows 11 machines. When I type "inventor" I see files, web, document and then app results. After my 3rd or 4th test, I saw Bing web results in the right hand panel which did include ads (ironically for the exact software you mentioned). Are these the ads to which you are referring?
mrguyorama 4y ago
FYI, you can right click on the candy crush ad, say hide, and never see it again, period. You can do this with most "ads" on windows 10. My start menu looks like it did in the 7 days, because I turned off the entire side panel that had all the "tiles". Even the panel that comes up when I click in the "search" bar (which is not the start menu!) is devoid of basically any tiles, because they are all hidden. I literally never saw the candy crush tile, because I installed windows myself from a microsoft CD, turned off every option on the "personalization" or whatever page when you do a fresh install, and have no OEM bloatware as well.