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The author cites "right-wing author Sam Harris". Is he talking about a different person? Sam Harris the author and podcast host is about as far from a right-win

The author cites "right-wing author Sam Harris". Is he talking about a different person? Sam Harris the author and podcast host is about as far from a right-wing author as you can get. He's a neuroscientist who advocates rational thinking, is highly critical of organized religion, promotes meditation, supports same-sex marriage, and is a registered Democrat. Sam has many unique viewpoints that don't map exactly to the woke left (he's critical of Democrats occasionally, supports gun ownership, is not afraid to voice unpopular opinions) - but calling him right-wing is just plain wrong. Is that what politics has come to? You don't get in line with every idea on the left, you get labelled a right-winger?

mseidl 4y ago
He thinks black people are dumber due to genetics. (a 15 point lower iq)
- perrygeo 4y ago
  Harris does not think that and never said any such thing. You're literally making false statements and putting them in his mouth. Yes, he has discussed the social stratification of IQ scores. And for this, he's a racist? You just proved my point.
  - mseidl 4y ago
    https://theoutline.com/post/4024/andrew-sullivan-sam-harris-jordan-peterson-the-bell-curve https://theoutline.com/post/4024/andrew-sullivan-sam-harris-...
  - maxbond 4y ago
    It's important to note that this idea about IQ is in fact a repackaging of race realism. In another decade Harris would've been talking about phrenology. It is an intellectual fig leaf for racism.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    I'm not sure there's much daylight between "social stratification of IQ scores" as posited by Harris and "scientific racism". There seems to be a widespread belief that "scientific reasoning" is an inoculation against white supremacy (or any other kind of bigotry), but a bigoted statement rooted in a scientific claim is usually still just as bigoted.
absolutelymild 4y ago
I’m sure the right-wing label is due to his repeated efforts to legitimize race and IQ science. He probably has lots of opinions that match up with the Democrats, but that one’s really stuck with him.
bediger4000 4y ago
Actually it's the other way around: since 1980, conservative/Republican litmus tests have multiplied and gotten stricter. You can see this in the "RINO" epithet. There's no analogous liberal/Democrat phrase.
- maxbond 4y ago
  I agree 90% of the way, but there is a term; "blue dog Democrat." However, RINO is universally pejorative, whereas blue dog is not.
  - bediger4000 4y ago
    Thank you! I wracked my brains to recall a RINO equivalent, and I didn't remember that.
maxbond 4y ago
I think there's a confusion of terms here. You're defining left and right "wingness" based on political party affiliation. In which case, I'm not aware of Harris advocating for Republican candidates, though I don't follow him. But the author is likely considering Harris' broader world view, which as sibling commenters have noted, is full of race realism, clash of civilizations narratives, and other distinctly right-wing ideas. It might be instructive to consider Jordan Peterson. Peterson and Harris are similar in a lot of ways; they travel in similar circles, they both use academic credentials to give authority to their political views, they have similar views on trans people. They both buy into debunked myths about IQ. They both talk a lot about "waking up," Harris through meditation and Peterson through cleaning your room. For years he and his supporters insisted that he wasn't a right-winger. Now Peterson is on The Daily Wire. I doubt we'll see Harris pursuing a similar path, Harris seems much less erratic. But I think it's an interesting parallel.

mseidl 4y ago

He thinks black people are dumber due to genetics. (a 15 point lower iq)

perrygeo 4y ago
Harris does not think that and never said any such thing. You're literally making false statements and putting them in his mouth. Yes, he has discussed the social stratification of IQ scores. And for this, he's a racist? You just proved my point.
- mseidl 4y ago
  https://theoutline.com/post/4024/andrew-sullivan-sam-harris-jordan-peterson-the-bell-curve https://theoutline.com/post/4024/andrew-sullivan-sam-harris-...
- maxbond 4y ago
  It's important to note that this idea about IQ is in fact a repackaging of race realism. In another decade Harris would've been talking about phrenology. It is an intellectual fig leaf for racism.
- tptacek 4y ago
  I'm not sure there's much daylight between "social stratification of IQ scores" as posited by Harris and "scientific racism". There seems to be a widespread belief that "scientific reasoning" is an inoculation against white supremacy (or any other kind of bigotry), but a bigoted statement rooted in a scientific claim is usually still just as bigoted.

absolutelymild 4y ago

I’m sure the right-wing label is due to his repeated efforts to legitimize race and IQ science. He probably has lots of opinions that match up with the Democrats, but that one’s really stuck with him.

bediger4000 4y ago

Actually it's the other way around: since 1980, conservative/Republican litmus tests have multiplied and gotten stricter. You can see this in the "RINO" epithet. There's no analogous liberal/Democrat phrase.

maxbond 4y ago
I agree 90% of the way, but there is a term; "blue dog Democrat." However, RINO is universally pejorative, whereas blue dog is not.
- bediger4000 4y ago
  Thank you! I wracked my brains to recall a RINO equivalent, and I didn't remember that.

maxbond 4y ago

I think there's a confusion of terms here. You're defining left and right "wingness" based on political party affiliation. In which case, I'm not aware of Harris advocating for Republican candidates, though I don't follow him. But the author is likely considering Harris' broader world view, which as sibling commenters have noted, is full of race realism, clash of civilizations narratives, and other distinctly right-wing ideas. It might be instructive to consider Jordan Peterson. Peterson and Harris are similar in a lot of ways; they travel in similar circles, they both use academic credentials to give authority to their political views, they have similar views on trans people. They both buy into debunked myths about IQ. They both talk a lot about "waking up," Harris through meditation and Peterson through cleaning your room. For years he and his supporters insisted that he wasn't a right-winger. Now Peterson is on The Daily Wire. I doubt we'll see Harris pursuing a similar path, Harris seems much less erratic. But I think it's an interesting parallel.