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We'll eventually need open source EV solutions for major auto manufacturers. This is just the start of being held hostage to these companies trying to create re

We'll eventually need open source EV solutions for major auto manufacturers. This is just the start of being held hostage to these companies trying to create recurring revenue streams. For auto manufacturers, EVs are not about the environment but from ripping off customers until the very end. Wonder if any open source EV projects have started.

iwillbenice 4y ago
ragebol 4y ago
How would that work? Download the car's design (you wouldn't...) and have it manufactured by someone with the right machines?
- leodriesch 4y ago
  I'd think about it as a "Linux" car, in the sense that you'd have an open source operating system for cars, the manufacturer would just supply drivers for the hardware (like graphic cards drivers).
  - krolden 4y ago
    Oh yay nvidia car. The firmware is locked down and it costs 150% more every generation.
    - salawat 4y ago
      https://docs.nvidia.com/drive/drive_os_5.1.6.1L/nvvib_docs/index.html https://docs.nvidia.com/drive/drive_os_5.1.6.1L/nvvib_docs/i... For those wondering whether this is just a joke, it most certainly is not.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Its really just the control boards that are the problem. Swap them out and you are done. I guess with how much a car costs, there is incentive to reverse and engineer a solution.
- blahblah1234567 4y ago
  There's a pretty awesome non-profit called Open Source Ecology which is doing this with the 40 "most important machines for civilizations". Perhaps with some funding & technical assistance they could be convinced to do so for EV Vehicles. https://www.opensourceecology.org/ https://www.opensourceecology.org/ "We’re developing open source industrial machines that can be made for a fraction of commercial costs, and sharing our designs online for free. The goal of Open Source Ecology is to create an open source economy – an efficient economy which increases innovation by open collaboration."
  - thrixton 4y ago
    This is amazing, everything up to the 'Seed Eco-Home', given the amount of time we spend building out bespoke designs and then relearning all the intricacies of each design, for everything from a spoon to a house, I've often wondered why we don't just standardise on 1 thing then move on, at least have an MVP standard which can be built with the least amount of cost and fuss. I hope this project succeeds, if I lived in the USA I'd be there for sure.
adolph 4y ago
It may be more significant to have open communication protocols and hardware abstraction layer. This would allow the “AI” bits be evaluated independently by safety orgs. An outcome would be to enable companies like comma.ai to replace/supplement OEM vehicle control. This approach does not address the value model of a vehicle. I think subscriptions work well as a method of price differentiation—if you don’t want it, don’t subscribe, and if you change your mind down the road you can add it without fuss.
gbersac 4y ago
That's why I'm so optimistic about our ability to solve climate change. Solving climate change is more more a way to be profitable.
rascul 4y ago
There is openpilot. https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/

iwillbenice 4y ago

ragebol 4y ago

How would that work? Download the car's design (you wouldn't...) and have it manufactured by someone with the right machines?

leodriesch 4y ago
I'd think about it as a "Linux" car, in the sense that you'd have an open source operating system for cars, the manufacturer would just supply drivers for the hardware (like graphic cards drivers).
- krolden 4y ago
  Oh yay nvidia car. The firmware is locked down and it costs 150% more every generation.
  - salawat 4y ago
    https://docs.nvidia.com/drive/drive_os_5.1.6.1L/nvvib_docs/index.html https://docs.nvidia.com/drive/drive_os_5.1.6.1L/nvvib_docs/i... For those wondering whether this is just a joke, it most certainly is not.
nebula8804 4y ago
Its really just the control boards that are the problem. Swap them out and you are done. I guess with how much a car costs, there is incentive to reverse and engineer a solution.
blahblah1234567 4y ago
There's a pretty awesome non-profit called Open Source Ecology which is doing this with the 40 "most important machines for civilizations". Perhaps with some funding & technical assistance they could be convinced to do so for EV Vehicles. https://www.opensourceecology.org/ https://www.opensourceecology.org/ "We’re developing open source industrial machines that can be made for a fraction of commercial costs, and sharing our designs online for free. The goal of Open Source Ecology is to create an open source economy – an efficient economy which increases innovation by open collaboration."
- thrixton 4y ago
  This is amazing, everything up to the 'Seed Eco-Home', given the amount of time we spend building out bespoke designs and then relearning all the intricacies of each design, for everything from a spoon to a house, I've often wondered why we don't just standardise on 1 thing then move on, at least have an MVP standard which can be built with the least amount of cost and fuss. I hope this project succeeds, if I lived in the USA I'd be there for sure.

adolph 4y ago

It may be more significant to have open communication protocols and hardware abstraction layer. This would allow the “AI” bits be evaluated independently by safety orgs. An outcome would be to enable companies like comma.ai to replace/supplement OEM vehicle control. This approach does not address the value model of a vehicle. I think subscriptions work well as a method of price differentiation—if you don’t want it, don’t subscribe, and if you change your mind down the road you can add it without fuss.

gbersac 4y ago

That's why I'm so optimistic about our ability to solve climate change. Solving climate change is more more a way to be profitable.

rascul 4y ago

There is openpilot. https://comma.ai/ https://comma.ai/