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How British Healthcare System Treats Trans People

4 points by Jarlakxen 4y ago

easytiger 4y ago
The NHS doesn't correspond with patients via email for appointments. You either phone, use the app, make one in person with a receptionist or in person with a medical professional for referrals or use an in surgery kiosk. So I doubt this is true.
- eesmith 4y ago
  I believe you are basing this on the title. The second line of the video clarifies she emailed "Britain's national healthcare provider 133 times, trying to get a doctor's appointment." Her GP is not trained in trans medicine. She needed a referral to get treatment. Her first GP didn't do so, after several attempts. Her second (after she moved) was persuaded to do so. Even then, the waiting list is decades long. Not the 18 weeks required by law. That's when she started emailing, and contacting aNHS dministrators, "hundreds of hours spent doing this in my free time, just to get an appointment with a doctor" who can treat her. Why do you doubt it's true?
  - easytiger 4y ago
    The bit that isn't true Haranguing management staff isn't how you get an appointment. The system works on medical referrals. There are 3-5 year waiting lists for kidney stone operations - something causing ongoing pain and high infection risk - and is indeed very routine - they can join the club. Most people in need of what are frankly self indulgent procedures that doesn't affect their health should absolutely not be the priority for a health service already failing to meet duty of care to people with. The tavistock scandals are simply hijacking of a public entity too afraid to say no for fear of bad press. Is the NHS fit for purpose? Mostly not in some very important areas. Why the subset of persons who want to make it about them is beyond me, it applies to all persons. Trust me. I know.
    - l3uwin 4y ago
      > self indulgent procedures that doesn't affect their health Categorically false and an obviuosly bad-faith argument. Surgery isn't the only step in trans healthcare, not all trans people seek medical transition, and intersex people need access to endocrinologists regardless of your ignorance. And even if the above wasn't true, transitioning lowers the suicide rate of trans youth significantly. Yet here you are crusading for more dead kids. Shame on you.
      - easytiger 4y ago
    - eesmith 4y ago
      > The system works on medical referrals. How long is it supposed to take for the GP to write a referral? As described, just getting the referral took months. The first GP said "come back in a month" and she would write the referral. Which is not part of the standard of care. The GP then said she would write a referral, and six months later hadn't yet done it. And according to one recent survey, 14% of trans respondents said that their GPs refused to help them. How does a referral system work if the GPs refuse to make referrals? > There are 3-5 year waiting lists for kidney stone operations That's 3-5 years after they were diagnosed, yes? It did not take nearly 20 years see the doctor and get the diagnosis that they needed a kidney stone operation. And that's the waiting list she was talking about - the waiting list to see the doctor. Just like it said in the title; the one you thought wasn't true. > frankly self indulgent procedures Your frankly bigoted opinion is not backed by medical evidence.
      - easytiger 4y ago
        If you attend a gp they usually write a referral there and then or have a letter you can pick up at the end of the day/next day. In 100% of the 12 or so times I have got referrals that is what happened. Even gets printed off and a copy handed to me. If they don't there is usually a reason. I've also had GPs say I didn't need referrals (but I usually don't go expecting one). It is the GPs medical choice to not refer you if they don't see it necessary. They will usually always write the letter if you tell them you will do the desired medical pathway privately. They are more likely to gatekeep NHS resources as of course they will have to account for them. E.g. recent A&E referrals by GPS were being tracked by dinner A&E departments as lots of gps fob off patients to them. A lot of the NHS is also just bad. Run badly and incompetent. I've had treatment follow ups go missing in the system. But, alas, I don't have a systemic discrimination pseudo complex to fall back on. When you say refused to help them I presume you ask yourself why? And I presume your definition of the word refused is correct? Lol. 20 years? What
vench 4y ago
Oh, it's this creep. Maybe the long wait will give him time to calm down with his sexual fetishes, so he can stop pretending to be a woman for wank fodder.

4 points by Jarlakxen 4y ago

The NHS doesn't correspond with patients via email for appointments. You either phone, use the app, make one in person with a receptionist or in person with a medical professional for referrals or use an in surgery kiosk. So I doubt this is true.

eesmith 4y ago
I believe you are basing this on the title. The second line of the video clarifies she emailed "Britain's national healthcare provider 133 times, trying to get a doctor's appointment." Her GP is not trained in trans medicine. She needed a referral to get treatment. Her first GP didn't do so, after several attempts. Her second (after she moved) was persuaded to do so. Even then, the waiting list is decades long. Not the 18 weeks required by law. That's when she started emailing, and contacting aNHS dministrators, "hundreds of hours spent doing this in my free time, just to get an appointment with a doctor" who can treat her. Why do you doubt it's true?
- easytiger 4y ago
  The bit that isn't true Haranguing management staff isn't how you get an appointment. The system works on medical referrals. There are 3-5 year waiting lists for kidney stone operations - something causing ongoing pain and high infection risk - and is indeed very routine - they can join the club. Most people in need of what are frankly self indulgent procedures that doesn't affect their health should absolutely not be the priority for a health service already failing to meet duty of care to people with. The tavistock scandals are simply hijacking of a public entity too afraid to say no for fear of bad press. Is the NHS fit for purpose? Mostly not in some very important areas. Why the subset of persons who want to make it about them is beyond me, it applies to all persons. Trust me. I know.
  - l3uwin 4y ago
    > self indulgent procedures that doesn't affect their health Categorically false and an obviuosly bad-faith argument. Surgery isn't the only step in trans healthcare, not all trans people seek medical transition, and intersex people need access to endocrinologists regardless of your ignorance. And even if the above wasn't true, transitioning lowers the suicide rate of trans youth significantly. Yet here you are crusading for more dead kids. Shame on you.
    - easytiger 4y ago
  - eesmith 4y ago
    > The system works on medical referrals. How long is it supposed to take for the GP to write a referral? As described, just getting the referral took months. The first GP said "come back in a month" and she would write the referral. Which is not part of the standard of care. The GP then said she would write a referral, and six months later hadn't yet done it. And according to one recent survey, 14% of trans respondents said that their GPs refused to help them. How does a referral system work if the GPs refuse to make referrals? > There are 3-5 year waiting lists for kidney stone operations That's 3-5 years after they were diagnosed, yes? It did not take nearly 20 years see the doctor and get the diagnosis that they needed a kidney stone operation. And that's the waiting list she was talking about - the waiting list to see the doctor. Just like it said in the title; the one you thought wasn't true. > frankly self indulgent procedures Your frankly bigoted opinion is not backed by medical evidence.
    - easytiger 4y ago
      If you attend a gp they usually write a referral there and then or have a letter you can pick up at the end of the day/next day. In 100% of the 12 or so times I have got referrals that is what happened. Even gets printed off and a copy handed to me. If they don't there is usually a reason. I've also had GPs say I didn't need referrals (but I usually don't go expecting one). It is the GPs medical choice to not refer you if they don't see it necessary. They will usually always write the letter if you tell them you will do the desired medical pathway privately. They are more likely to gatekeep NHS resources as of course they will have to account for them. E.g. recent A&E referrals by GPS were being tracked by dinner A&E departments as lots of gps fob off patients to them. A lot of the NHS is also just bad. Run badly and incompetent. I've had treatment follow ups go missing in the system. But, alas, I don't have a systemic discrimination pseudo complex to fall back on. When you say refused to help them I presume you ask yourself why? And I presume your definition of the word refused is correct? Lol. 20 years? What

vench 4y ago

Oh, it's this creep. Maybe the long wait will give him time to calm down with his sexual fetishes, so he can stop pretending to be a woman for wank fodder.