3 ms·

it's amazing how far detached from the customers these 'legacy' car companies are. Bring on the car hacking!!! with ev's it seems the less premium brands like

it's amazing how far detached from the customers these 'legacy' car companies are. Bring on the car hacking!!! with ev's it seems the less premium brands like hyundai + others have seen their opening and are taking it and it's working the ev6 seems to be really well liked online.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Is it really 'legacy' car companies? Last I checked Tesla was offering insane subscription packages as well.
- cde-v 4y ago
  O boy, I can hear the muskrats scurrying out of the woodwork to come tell you you're wrong.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    I was a bit reluctant to even post that knowing that it's going to be ideologically conflated with all the rest of the Elon Empire but it's seemed the best counter-example of a new company doing the same dirty tricks.
- nrjames 4y ago
  What are they offering? I thought they just had the self-driving subscription package?
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    That's what I referring to, yeah. Looking it up it's double this performance package ($199 / month), and it might be even more weasely (a claim of "Full Self-Driving" being to real full self-driving as the modern "hoverboard" is to a real hoverboard).
    - robohydrate 4y ago
      At least with FSD you have the option of paying once for the entire feature (currently 15k) or paying a subscription ($200/mo or $100/mo if you paid once for enhanced autopilot feature (currently $6k). And it's an actual software feature, not unlocking your hardware. Though I think an acceleration boost unlock is/was offered for certain Tesla model 3/Y, which I guess is similar to what Mercedes is doing here, but it's a one time thing instead of subscription. /MuskRatOut
      - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        I'll guess that the up front cost does kind of make it better, but really, in both cases the car has the hardware already, you're just paying for the software to unlock its functionality. In neither case are they going to replace the engineer or remove the sensors.
shapefrog 4y ago
It's amazing how far detached from reality the customers of shiny new car companies are. These companies are giving them what they want. A cheaper lease but it looks the exact same as the more expensive one.
lm28469 4y ago
The vast majority of people want an affordable/reliable shitbox that goes from A to B in relative comfort. Nobody gives a shit about 400+hp EVs that cost 20x the average annual savings of a min wage worker
- somerandomqaguy 4y ago
  Subscriptions are coming for the affordable / reliable as well. Toyota coupled the remote start keyfob into the subscription system because it's the same module for the key fab as it is for the smartphone remote start. Kia and Hyundai don't offer factory key fob remote starts either, it's through their respective remote services. GM and Stellantis plan on adding subscription services to their offerings in the next 5 years and Ford hasn't ruled out the possibility (or at least they're playing coy at the moment). I haven't heard anything about VAG, and the rest of the Japanese makers, but I assume they're keeping an eye on how the market will respond to this idea.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  The vast majority of people are not the vast majority of new car buyers.
AmVess 4y ago
75% of all new luxury cars roll out the door as leases. They know the customers will pay and not question it.
helf 4y ago
Legacy? The Hip New Kid on the block, "Tesla", started this bullshit.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

Is it really 'legacy' car companies? Last I checked Tesla was offering insane subscription packages as well.

cde-v 4y ago
O boy, I can hear the muskrats scurrying out of the woodwork to come tell you you're wrong.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  I was a bit reluctant to even post that knowing that it's going to be ideologically conflated with all the rest of the Elon Empire but it's seemed the best counter-example of a new company doing the same dirty tricks.
nrjames 4y ago
What are they offering? I thought they just had the self-driving subscription package?
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  That's what I referring to, yeah. Looking it up it's double this performance package ($199 / month), and it might be even more weasely (a claim of "Full Self-Driving" being to real full self-driving as the modern "hoverboard" is to a real hoverboard).
  - robohydrate 4y ago
    At least with FSD you have the option of paying once for the entire feature (currently 15k) or paying a subscription ($200/mo or $100/mo if you paid once for enhanced autopilot feature (currently $6k). And it's an actual software feature, not unlocking your hardware. Though I think an acceleration boost unlock is/was offered for certain Tesla model 3/Y, which I guess is similar to what Mercedes is doing here, but it's a one time thing instead of subscription. /MuskRatOut
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      I'll guess that the up front cost does kind of make it better, but really, in both cases the car has the hardware already, you're just paying for the software to unlock its functionality. In neither case are they going to replace the engineer or remove the sensors.

shapefrog 4y ago

It's amazing how far detached from reality the customers of shiny new car companies are. These companies are giving them what they want. A cheaper lease but it looks the exact same as the more expensive one.

lm28469 4y ago

The vast majority of people want an affordable/reliable shitbox that goes from A to B in relative comfort. Nobody gives a shit about 400+hp EVs that cost 20x the average annual savings of a min wage worker

somerandomqaguy 4y ago
Subscriptions are coming for the affordable / reliable as well. Toyota coupled the remote start keyfob into the subscription system because it's the same module for the key fab as it is for the smartphone remote start. Kia and Hyundai don't offer factory key fob remote starts either, it's through their respective remote services. GM and Stellantis plan on adding subscription services to their offerings in the next 5 years and Ford hasn't ruled out the possibility (or at least they're playing coy at the moment). I haven't heard anything about VAG, and the rest of the Japanese makers, but I assume they're keeping an eye on how the market will respond to this idea.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
The vast majority of people are not the vast majority of new car buyers.

AmVess 4y ago

75% of all new luxury cars roll out the door as leases. They know the customers will pay and not question it.

helf 4y ago

Legacy? The Hip New Kid on the block, "Tesla", started this bullshit.