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Yeah I don't really care about the stuff you're arguing on. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I think it's not relevant. My original point was to address the ide

by jemmyw 4y ago

Yeah I don't really care about the stuff you're arguing on. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I think it's not relevant. My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. This applies to you, your moral stance is of equal weight to mine regardless of what the previous generation in your place of birth did. And the speaker making that comment missed a big point... Most fans of football didn't want this country hosting. None of this would have been a problem if they had rolled back that decision when the corruption was discovered. I'm not from the US. I agree with your argument on local laws. Fans and players should have rebelled against the corrupt FIFA decision and forced change 10 years ago. However, I disagree with being told we can't criticise due to the actions of others who happen to be our ancestors or even present day in my own country. I'm from the UK, I marched against the Iraq invasion, but the intimation here is that because the UK went to war anyway my voice is forever to be dismissed.

kamaal 4y ago
>>My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. Not past, those nations that are lecturing on morals are themselves accused of far worse as we speak. Either way if you are a net beneficiary(which you obviously are, as you are a UK citizen) of your ancestors having did all this, you have NO moral rights to lecture others. Or pay reparations and then speak. >>I'm from the UK Honestly, I think you really should lecture your own countrymen on countless things you guys continue to do till date. Iraq/Afghanistan is a strong example, but what happened after Arab Spring is another one. Whole countries flattened to the ground, because your prime minister apparently doesn't have good english reading/comprehension skills to read a simple report about the presence/absence of weapons in Iraq. And for heaven's sake you are a democracy, which means you(the people) and only you(the people) are responsible for all the mess your government does(in your name). Of all the ills that plague the world, not having the independence to drink beer for three hours isn't even in the vicinity of destroying whole countries. So please.
- spoils19 4y ago
  I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like this, where we can watch a game without worrying if the people next to us are engaging in debaucherous behavior. I kind of envy those guys watching the game live in Qatar. I hope I was the one there.

by jemmyw 4y ago

kamaal 4y ago

>>My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. Not past, those nations that are lecturing on morals are themselves accused of far worse as we speak. Either way if you are a net beneficiary(which you obviously are, as you are a UK citizen) of your ancestors having did all this, you have NO moral rights to lecture others. Or pay reparations and then speak. >>I'm from the UK Honestly, I think you really should lecture your own countrymen on countless things you guys continue to do till date. Iraq/Afghanistan is a strong example, but what happened after Arab Spring is another one. Whole countries flattened to the ground, because your prime minister apparently doesn't have good english reading/comprehension skills to read a simple report about the presence/absence of weapons in Iraq. And for heaven's sake you are a democracy, which means you(the people) and only you(the people) are responsible for all the mess your government does(in your name). Of all the ills that plague the world, not having the independence to drink beer for three hours isn't even in the vicinity of destroying whole countries. So please.

spoils19 4y ago
I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like this, where we can watch a game without worrying if the people next to us are engaging in debaucherous behavior. I kind of envy those guys watching the game live in Qatar. I hope I was the one there.