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>>Quite a proportion of westerns would now see that colonialist behaviour as a bad thing. Racism and Supremacist culture/politics literally exists because peop

by kamaal 4y ago

>>Quite a proportion of westerns would now see that colonialist behaviour as a bad thing. Racism and Supremacist culture/politics literally exists because people today think their life got significantly hard since colonialism and slavery ended. >>So are we forever to have it held against us that some of our ancestors did that? Lets hold you to the present. Why is the west involved in so many invasions and intervensions almost on an every day basis even today? >>Qatar wanted the World Cup knowing full well that these issues would come up. They have local laws just like you do. Isn't crossing the road a punishable crime in the US? I think laws controlling alcoholism do make lots of sense compared to jailing people for crossing the road, or letting kids walk unattended.

jemmyw 4y ago
Yeah I don't really care about the stuff you're arguing on. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I think it's not relevant. My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. This applies to you, your moral stance is of equal weight to mine regardless of what the previous generation in your place of birth did. And the speaker making that comment missed a big point... Most fans of football didn't want this country hosting. None of this would have been a problem if they had rolled back that decision when the corruption was discovered. I'm not from the US. I agree with your argument on local laws. Fans and players should have rebelled against the corrupt FIFA decision and forced change 10 years ago. However, I disagree with being told we can't criticise due to the actions of others who happen to be our ancestors or even present day in my own country. I'm from the UK, I marched against the Iraq invasion, but the intimation here is that because the UK went to war anyway my voice is forever to be dismissed.
- kamaal 4y ago
  >>My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. Not past, those nations that are lecturing on morals are themselves accused of far worse as we speak. Either way if you are a net beneficiary(which you obviously are, as you are a UK citizen) of your ancestors having did all this, you have NO moral rights to lecture others. Or pay reparations and then speak. >>I'm from the UK Honestly, I think you really should lecture your own countrymen on countless things you guys continue to do till date. Iraq/Afghanistan is a strong example, but what happened after Arab Spring is another one. Whole countries flattened to the ground, because your prime minister apparently doesn't have good english reading/comprehension skills to read a simple report about the presence/absence of weapons in Iraq. And for heaven's sake you are a democracy, which means you(the people) and only you(the people) are responsible for all the mess your government does(in your name). Of all the ills that plague the world, not having the independence to drink beer for three hours isn't even in the vicinity of destroying whole countries. So please.
  - spoils19 4y ago
    I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like this, where we can watch a game without worrying if the people next to us are engaging in debaucherous behavior. I kind of envy those guys watching the game live in Qatar. I hope I was the one there.

by kamaal 4y ago

jemmyw 4y ago

Yeah I don't really care about the stuff you're arguing on. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I think it's not relevant. My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. This applies to you, your moral stance is of equal weight to mine regardless of what the previous generation in your place of birth did. And the speaker making that comment missed a big point... Most fans of football didn't want this country hosting. None of this would have been a problem if they had rolled back that decision when the corruption was discovered. I'm not from the US. I agree with your argument on local laws. Fans and players should have rebelled against the corrupt FIFA decision and forced change 10 years ago. However, I disagree with being told we can't criticise due to the actions of others who happen to be our ancestors or even present day in my own country. I'm from the UK, I marched against the Iraq invasion, but the intimation here is that because the UK went to war anyway my voice is forever to be dismissed.

kamaal 4y ago
>>My original point was to address the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to criticise a regime that commits abuses against people because our own nation did something in the past. Not past, those nations that are lecturing on morals are themselves accused of far worse as we speak. Either way if you are a net beneficiary(which you obviously are, as you are a UK citizen) of your ancestors having did all this, you have NO moral rights to lecture others. Or pay reparations and then speak. >>I'm from the UK Honestly, I think you really should lecture your own countrymen on countless things you guys continue to do till date. Iraq/Afghanistan is a strong example, but what happened after Arab Spring is another one. Whole countries flattened to the ground, because your prime minister apparently doesn't have good english reading/comprehension skills to read a simple report about the presence/absence of weapons in Iraq. And for heaven's sake you are a democracy, which means you(the people) and only you(the people) are responsible for all the mess your government does(in your name). Of all the ills that plague the world, not having the independence to drink beer for three hours isn't even in the vicinity of destroying whole countries. So please.
- spoils19 4y ago
  I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like this, where we can watch a game without worrying if the people next to us are engaging in debaucherous behavior. I kind of envy those guys watching the game live in Qatar. I hope I was the one there.