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Seems important that there have been lots of layoffs elsewhere. Some percent of those laid off would take a job at Twitter. This is a big change from the last m

Seems important that there have been lots of layoffs elsewhere. Some percent of those laid off would take a job at Twitter. This is a big change from the last many years, when SWE hiring was very competitive. New hires won't know the internals of Twitter but they can dive in and help. They can also be motivated by equity-heavy comp packages.

threeseed 4y ago
If you are good at your job I doubt you will put up with Twitter's treatment of employees e.g. lack of vision, late nights and long weeks, inflexible work arrangements, public belittlement of your contributions etc. And given that it's a private company not sure whether you would expect compensation other than salary.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  Good point about private company equity. Probably they'd use cash bonuses instead. I think you underestimate how much some people would like to see Twitter 2.0 succeed. Lots of people didn't love how censorious Twitter had become and want to help build something better. I have several friends who are interested in working there. It does sound like it will be long hours. But for some people that will be a badge of honor. Most of my interested friends are not married so have fewer other priorities.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    This is just my thought but I think you are overestimating the intersection of people who truly care about culture war stuff and the "deeply experienced" engineering community that values gaining the skill and experience to be able to build something like Twitter. When that engineer explained the RPC calls to Musk the other day the replies were very telling in the sense that people who spend their time talking about how "freedom is back at Twitter" or how the employees are getting their comeuppance don't seem to really internalize how much effort is required to build and maintain these services. Maybe there is a cadre of conservative freedom loving experienced techies hiding in the shadows but I haven't seen them. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I watched the whole Parler collapse saga caused by a lack of mastery and experience in their chosen technologies and it really instilled in me the idea of appreciating the drive of learning and open mindedness. The conservative movement seems to have a disdain for deep learning of a specific field. They are setting themselves up to be left behind in the tech revolution.
    - crackercrews 4y ago
      > Maybe there is a cadre of conservative freedom loving experienced techies hiding in the shadows Your bias is showing. One does not have to be conservative to want Twitter 2.0 to succeed. Also, there are definitely experienced techies who are conservative and who are not "out" in silicon valley. It's hard to know how many there are because they have kept their heads down for many years.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  You would be surprised what I would put up with for a large-enough check.
closeparen 4y ago
Why would equity be motivating? Is Elon going to take Twitter public again?
- crackercrews 4y ago
  I responded to the other commenter about that. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did eventually, possibly while keeping control of supervoting stock like Zuck.

threeseed 4y ago

If you are good at your job I doubt you will put up with Twitter's treatment of employees e.g. lack of vision, late nights and long weeks, inflexible work arrangements, public belittlement of your contributions etc. And given that it's a private company not sure whether you would expect compensation other than salary.

crackercrews 4y ago
Good point about private company equity. Probably they'd use cash bonuses instead. I think you underestimate how much some people would like to see Twitter 2.0 succeed. Lots of people didn't love how censorious Twitter had become and want to help build something better. I have several friends who are interested in working there. It does sound like it will be long hours. But for some people that will be a badge of honor. Most of my interested friends are not married so have fewer other priorities.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  This is just my thought but I think you are overestimating the intersection of people who truly care about culture war stuff and the "deeply experienced" engineering community that values gaining the skill and experience to be able to build something like Twitter. When that engineer explained the RPC calls to Musk the other day the replies were very telling in the sense that people who spend their time talking about how "freedom is back at Twitter" or how the employees are getting their comeuppance don't seem to really internalize how much effort is required to build and maintain these services. Maybe there is a cadre of conservative freedom loving experienced techies hiding in the shadows but I haven't seen them. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, I watched the whole Parler collapse saga caused by a lack of mastery and experience in their chosen technologies and it really instilled in me the idea of appreciating the drive of learning and open mindedness. The conservative movement seems to have a disdain for deep learning of a specific field. They are setting themselves up to be left behind in the tech revolution.
  - crackercrews 4y ago
    > Maybe there is a cadre of conservative freedom loving experienced techies hiding in the shadows Your bias is showing. One does not have to be conservative to want Twitter 2.0 to succeed. Also, there are definitely experienced techies who are conservative and who are not "out" in silicon valley. It's hard to know how many there are because they have kept their heads down for many years.
dmitrygr 4y ago
You would be surprised what I would put up with for a large-enough check.

closeparen 4y ago

Why would equity be motivating? Is Elon going to take Twitter public again?

crackercrews 4y ago
I responded to the other commenter about that. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did eventually, possibly while keeping control of supervoting stock like Zuck.