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thinking fondly of that alternate timeline where ZFS is Apple's default file system Not everyone knows this history so for context: https://arstechnica.com/gad

by riffic 4y ago

thinking fondly of that alternate timeline where ZFS is Apple's default file system Not everyone knows this history so for context: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/zfs-the-other-new-apple-file-system-that-almost-was-until-it-wasnt/amp/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/zfs-the-other-new-ap...

bombcar 4y ago
I would have loved to see it as the only thing ZFS is really missing is a slick and easy to use UI.
- xattt 4y ago
  I always saw the kludge that was Time Machine on HFS as a stopgap until ZFS plans were finalized, yet they never were. One of the biggest modern what-ifs for system underpinnings.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  I dunno, time slider seems pretty great. (Although it sadly doesn't seem to be ported to common OSs)
scarface74 4y ago
Would ZFS have been appropriate for the iPhone? the Apple Watch?
- boxed 4y ago
  Is silent data loss appropriate for the iPhone?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - scarface74 4y ago
    A long discussion here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403351 But to answer your question, I would say no. Very little critical data is stored on most people’s phone that is not automatically backed up to iCloud.
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      The argument would be that it is not very useful to have backups if you don’t know if the data your backing up has been corrupted or not.
    - boxed 4y ago
      I don't think iCloud uses ZFS, so that's game over anyway :P
throw0101c 4y ago
From Jeff Bonwick, co-creator of ZFS, in 2009: >> Apple can currently just take the ZFS CDDL code and incorporate it (like they did with DTrace), but it may be that they wanted a "private license" from Sun (with appropriate technical support and indemnification), and the two entities couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms. > I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it. * https://marc.info/?l=zfs-discuss&m=125642378308127&w=3 https://marc.info/?l=zfs-discuss&m=125642378308127&w=3 * https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/10/apple-abandons-zfs-on-mac-os-x-project-over-licensing-issues/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/10/apple-abandons-zfs-o...

by riffic 4y ago

bombcar 4y ago

I would have loved to see it as the only thing ZFS is really missing is a slick and easy to use UI.

xattt 4y ago
I always saw the kludge that was Time Machine on HFS as a stopgap until ZFS plans were finalized, yet they never were. One of the biggest modern what-ifs for system underpinnings.
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
I dunno, time slider seems pretty great. (Although it sadly doesn't seem to be ported to common OSs)

scarface74 4y ago

Would ZFS have been appropriate for the iPhone? the Apple Watch?

boxed 4y ago
Is silent data loss appropriate for the iPhone?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- scarface74 4y ago
  A long discussion here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16403351 But to answer your question, I would say no. Very little critical data is stored on most people’s phone that is not automatically backed up to iCloud.
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    The argument would be that it is not very useful to have backups if you don’t know if the data your backing up has been corrupted or not.
  - boxed 4y ago
    I don't think iCloud uses ZFS, so that's game over anyway :P

throw0101c 4y ago

From Jeff Bonwick, co-creator of ZFS, in 2009: >> Apple can currently just take the ZFS CDDL code and incorporate it (like they did with DTrace), but it may be that they wanted a "private license" from Sun (with appropriate technical support and indemnification), and the two entities couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms. > I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it. * https://marc.info/?l=zfs-discuss&m=125642378308127&w=3 https://marc.info/?l=zfs-discuss&m=125642378308127&w=3 * https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/10/apple-abandons-zfs-on-mac-os-x-project-over-licensing-issues/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/10/apple-abandons-zfs-o...