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In countries like the US that is generally not something many software engineers can afford. In South Africa, as an engineer that is more affordable and more se

In countries like the US that is generally not something many software engineers can afford. In South Africa, as an engineer that is more affordable and more seem to have them from what I've seen.

lelanthran 4y ago
> In countries like the US that is generally not something many software engineers can afford. So? You think I'm staying in SA just because once every 7 days I pay someone to mow my lawn? How much money do you think I am saving by staying in SA and paying someone to mow the lawn?
- lgleason 4y ago
  I'm not criticizing you. It's just part of the difference in standard of living. In the US, only the rich can afford a domestic worker, because it would cost up-words of $200 a day. In South Africa it is a fraction of that cost even if you are paying above market rates.
pseudo0 4y ago
It's pretty common among middle or upper-middle class software engineers, at least based on the number of my coworkers who employ such services. Biweekly cleaning and gardening might run you $100 a week, or significantly less if you can cut out the middleman by hiring a cleaner directly instead of going through an agency (they can charge $40+ an hour and often pay their illegal immigrant employees under $15).
- lgleason 4y ago
  The average domestic worker in South Africa makes $16 a day and a little bit more for gardening. The domestic will come and clean the house, wash your clothes, iron etc. and put in a full days worth of work. The gardener will spend a full day weeding, mowing etc. etc.. You will not get anything close to that for $100 a week in the US even with an illegal immigrant.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    Sure, but the median software engineer in South Africa is making around $20k USD (https://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Job=Software_Engineer/S...) compared to around $90k in the US. Multiply that $16 by 4.5 and you're at $72, or $9/hour for a full day of work. Do a comparison based on percentage of salary, and the difference is smaller than you would think. It just seems ridiculously cheap in nominal terms.
    - lgleason 4y ago
      Most that I know are making a lot more than that in ZA.

In countries like the US that is generally not something many software engineers can afford. In South Africa, as an engineer that is more affordable and more seem to have them from what I've seen.

lelanthran 4y ago

> In countries like the US that is generally not something many software engineers can afford. So? You think I'm staying in SA just because once every 7 days I pay someone to mow my lawn? How much money do you think I am saving by staying in SA and paying someone to mow the lawn?

lgleason 4y ago
I'm not criticizing you. It's just part of the difference in standard of living. In the US, only the rich can afford a domestic worker, because it would cost up-words of $200 a day. In South Africa it is a fraction of that cost even if you are paying above market rates.

pseudo0 4y ago

It's pretty common among middle or upper-middle class software engineers, at least based on the number of my coworkers who employ such services. Biweekly cleaning and gardening might run you $100 a week, or significantly less if you can cut out the middleman by hiring a cleaner directly instead of going through an agency (they can charge $40+ an hour and often pay their illegal immigrant employees under $15).

lgleason 4y ago
The average domestic worker in South Africa makes $16 a day and a little bit more for gardening. The domestic will come and clean the house, wash your clothes, iron etc. and put in a full days worth of work. The gardener will spend a full day weeding, mowing etc. etc.. You will not get anything close to that for $100 a week in the US even with an illegal immigrant.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  Sure, but the median software engineer in South Africa is making around $20k USD (https://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary https://www.payscale.com/research/ZA/Job=Software_Engineer/S...) compared to around $90k in the US. Multiply that $16 by 4.5 and you're at $72, or $9/hour for a full day of work. Do a comparison based on percentage of salary, and the difference is smaller than you would think. It just seems ridiculously cheap in nominal terms.
  - lgleason 4y ago
    Most that I know are making a lot more than that in ZA.