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The chargers and the heads up display/software nav independent of FSD place them far ahead of anyone else. People complain a lot on HN about the touchscreen but
by gonehome 4y ago
The chargers and the heads up display/software nav independent of FSD place them far ahead of anyone else. People complain a lot on HN about the touchscreen but it’s really good and most car systems are really bad.
That and their range/performance per dollar is really competitive. They’re dominating the space for a reason imo.
The other car companies ignored EVs for a decade and are still hamstrung by dealerships in the US (which are really awful). I don’t expect them to be much of a threat.
- amluto 4y agoThe software and nav? Really? Actually operating the non-driving features of a Tesla is an exercise in every-changing frustration. Want to see if your seat heater is on? It used to be on the screen all the time, but now it's buried. Want to find a radio station or streaming station? It moves around on a regular basis and always takes several taps. At least the nav is decent these days. It used to be comically poor. Although the "heads up display" is essentially absent on the 3 and Y.
- gonehome 4y agoYou can have the seat heaters back on the screen again.
- amluto 4y agoThe driver side heater, anyway. Apparently the passenger side is too much to ask, at least on mine.
- gonehome 4y agoI have the passenger one on there too.
- SteelVoyager 4y agoBoth are available. Not sure what version you’re on, but it’s been back as an option for months.
- buffet_overflow 4y agoThe concern for me is, the user interface can wildly change again because some PM somewhere needs a raise and a bonus. I don’t like the idea of not having a say in things like the heater functionality being arbitrarily buried, and I find out on some random weekday morning that everything is different. This is the opinion of someone that doesn’t own a Tesla and hasn’t had this happen to them, can anyone weigh in on this from experience?
- gonehome 4y agoI have a Model 3, previously had a Fiat 500e, VW GTI, and Saturn. I’ve driven other high end cars and their systems are way harder to use imo. It’s worth just trying yourself vs. listening to people on HN. Most people don’t bother with their in car nav and just use their phone. I’ve heard apple car play isn’t bad though. The Model 3 did have an update that made things worse for a bit, but they fixed it. Since I’ve owned it (2018) it’s much better than it was when I bought it because of updates.
- bluGill 4y agoI don't know why anyone bothers with in car nav. Who doesn't have a smart phone with up to the second maps on their person? (Hint the type of person who can't program the in car navigation). Sure I could get my car updated, but it isn't worth it, the maps are obsolete before the programming is done.
- gonehome 4y agoThe Tesla one is better than using your phone - which is a high bar (and kind of the point I'm trying to make). The display is big, the maps are google maps, it has traffic routing, it can route you via super chargers, etc.
- dagmx 4y agoHowever the Tesla one is not better than using your phone+CarPlay which is the real comparison point for many people. Both CarPlay and android auto are miles ahead of where Tesla is, but as a result the comparison becomes murky. Do you compare vanilla car to vanilla car? Or do you consider the actual use case or capability for most people? If you believe Apple’s own marketing, the existence of CarPlay is a massively considered factor for the purchase of new cars.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoThis. When I bought my 2018 Model 3, the tablet interface was a joy to use. Every function was obvious, critical functions were at top level. The more recent interface has buried every useful function into some tiny submenu which is labeled only with a non-intuitive icon rather than any text. And for some reason all the text has been re-rendered in medium-gray on dark gray, which makes it unusable. It’s still basically “fine” but I’ve never seen such a reduction in UX quality happen without a user base rebelling before.
- dagmx 4y agoNo Tesla has a HUD. The rest of your comment is subjective IMHO. Granted Tesla have the most responsive in-car system, I know many people who refuse to buy one if a comparable car with an actual instrument cluster and any form of physical buttons exist. Especially with CarPlay and Android Auto in the mix, many cars offer better experiences than Tesla when coupled with a phone. Tesla’s UI isn’t what makes them dominate the market, it’s their price and first mover advantage. They dominate the market in spite of their UI , not because of it.
- clouddrover 4y ago> the heads up display Teslas don't have a heads up display. Heads up displays are projected on to the windscreen. They make use of augmented reality features these days: - Volkswagen ID EVs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQT5pRs0yCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQT5pRs0yCQ - Audi Q4 e-tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7axYz27DE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7axYz27DE - Mercedes S-class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-0TjxFkZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-0TjxFkZQ
- gonehome 4y agoYes, my bad - I just meant the screen, whatever you want to call that.