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What has the environmental movement accomplished? The oceans are still depleted, oil is still the number one game in town, our environment is awash in a deluge
by friend_and_foe 4y ago
What has the environmental movement accomplished? The oceans are still depleted, oil is still the number one game in town, our environment is awash in a deluge of little understood chemicals. It would seem to me that they're very ineffective. About the only accomplishment I can count is that we no longer clear cut forests, but we rotate logging land as a compromise.
But we have damage from them, they've stopped nuclear power. Maybe the risks were too high, maybe they did save us, but we will never know. But we do know that it was the solution to their number one problem for decades and they stopped it.
- User23 4y agoIt’s been fabulous for coastal California real estate prices. Environmental impact studies are a wonderful NIMBY tool and keep housing prices on California’s paradisiacal coast high by restricting density and supply. I’m not even sure that’s a bad thing though. Would our nation really be greatly enriched by having Malibu look like Tijuana?
- mistrial9 4y agothis un-self-critical display of complete absence of knowledge on a large topic, using a politics label, with a topping of "blaming those that made changes" with the worst of what happened, despite real actions to prevent exactly that.. is presented without rebuttal (yet) today.
- friend_and_foe 4y agoSo rebut.
- amanaplanacanal 4y agoOur air and water are hugely cleaner than they were when the environmental movement started. I’m guessing you are too young to remember.
- friend_and_foe 4y agoNot too young, no. In particular the problem was largely trash and smog over cities. These were largely resolved due to the inhabitants of the cities wanting to clean up the cities themselves, and movements against littering. I suppose at least the anti littering movement was driven largely by environmentalists.
- samus 4y ago> inhabitants of the cities wanting to clean up the cities Sounds like environmentalists to me
- friend_and_foe 4y agoIf it were environmentalism they'd agitate to raze the cities.
- phs318u 4y agoPlease stop trolling. Either engage reasonably or go to Slashdot. On the very slim chance that you're not trolling, let me explain that "environmentalists" don't live somewhere else. They too are people, that like everyone, live on this planet. They are also voters (at least in the countries where that's possible). Nevertheless, they (the subset you're keen to tag) are not the only people living on the planet nor are they the only voters. Nor, most importantly, are they the only or best funded lobbyists. Your whole premise is blaming those who fight for "being losers". How about all those folks/groups lobbying against environmental controls? Do they bear no blame in your world view?
- friend_and_foe 4y agoI don't have a problem with environmentalism, and I'm not trolling. I'm an environmentalist myself. I think its reasonable to point out that the environmental movement has fought the best chance they've had the past few decades to end the reliance on fossil fuels and has accomplished very little of their stated goals or what you'd expect them to hope to accomplish. The goal isn't to fight, at least not if you're serious about what you claim to care about.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoHave you considered the possibility that were it not for 'environmentalism' as a movement, things could have been a whole lot worse? We are not exactly in a great spot, but events like River Fires[1] seem a little less common these days partially thanks to some level of awareness of the issues. [1]https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire