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Links work.

by gsich 4y ago

Links work.

doublerabbit 4y ago
not without ssl
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  What does this even mean? If a link has TLS, it will have TLS. If it doesn't, it won't. Like anything on the web.
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    If I have a website that does not require SSL, I don't need an SSL cert. I don't need a screaming firefox window blaring "ThIs SiTe MaY Be InSecUrE" because IRC back in the days you shared links without https. Why does a .jpg need SSL? IRC is a dead feature. Until someone creates a drag-dropable image uploader to the client, IRC is dead. You can add as many features as you wish to the server, but without a client, there is no connection to hyperspace.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - gsich 4y ago
      There is no such screaming window. Please test.
    - kelnos 4y ago
      > IRC is a dead feature. I think all the people who use IRC daily would disagree with you on that. I do agree that IRC is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to feature support, and even just features in the spec. I dislike Slack, but whenever I use Slack for a while, and then switch to IRC for something else, I miss seemingly-simple things like being able to easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages (a feature of Slack's I initially hated, but eventually came to appreciate). I get that it's difficult to add these sorts of things to IRC in a reasonable way, especially when we're talking about degrading gracefully for clients that don't support newer features. But IRC is pretty much the definition of an open, federated protocol failing to avoid ossification.
      - doublerabbit 4y ago
        > I think all the people who use IRC daily would disagree with you on that. What people? I've used IRC for the past 15 years. It is dead. I was the generation to make it alive. You have stale, and chaos. It's old, musky and old. I have no issue with IRC its a robust, reliable protocol. But it's just stale. Its old. "We will invent this" where is it? Who recently has made an attempt at a half-good browser?
        6510 4y ago
        You are right and you should fix it.
        doublerabbit 4y ago
        i'll add it to my todo pile
        palata 4y ago
        Actually I used Matrix for 2 years and went back to IRC recently when I realised that the really cool channels I cared about where on IRC. A few are on Discord (which I really don't like). To me, Matrix seems to be in the middle, and I don't find anyone there.
      - progval 4y ago
        > easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages You can do all this on IRCCloud (which is currently the only IRC client to support them, sadly). However, like you mentioned, other clients won't see reactions or threading.
      - doix 4y ago
        > I do agree that IRC is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to feature support, and even just features in the spec. I dislike Slack, but whenever I use Slack for a while, and then switch to IRC for something else, I miss seemingly-simple things like being able to easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages (a feature of Slack's I initially hated, but eventually came to appreciate). I like that IRC doesn't have those things. IRC is great because most clients have very high information density. Look at this screenshot [0], look how many messages fit on the screen. Compare that to something like slack. Every message has a bunch of upper and lower padding, an avatar, space for reactions etc. If someone links an image, it can use up half your screen to render it. If someone links something, suddenly there is a preview wasting space. [0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/XchatScreenshot2.6.6.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/XchatScr...
    - cassianoleal 4y ago
      > I don't need a screaming firefox window blaring "ThIs SiTe MaY Be InSecUrE" So your problem is with your own choice of browser? This is not related to IRC or web links. > Until someone creates a drag-dropable image uploader to the client Create one yourself, then? IDK, I don't feel the need for it. I use IRC with a web client and it satisfies my needs. > IRC is dead. It's definitely not dead. I use it daily, as do lots of other people. Just because it doesn't have certain features that you want, it doesn't mean it's dead. It just means it's not for you. > there is no connection to hyperspace. I think you're mistaking Star Wars for the Internet.
      - doublerabbit 4y ago
        cassianoleal 4y ago
        > What Network #Channel have you been in that has active conversation? Just a few examples. On Libera.chat: #proxmox, #btrfs, #docker, #go-nuts, #homeassistant, #linux, #networking, #openwrt, others On OFTC: #asahi and its ancillary -dev and -gpu, #openwrt, #turris, ... I also have friends who I talk to in servers and channels outside of these. > You just don't get it. I don't get what? Your arguments are all over the place, it's kinda funny really... > My problem is how corporate entities are shoving web standards in to our faces and your too blind to care. You were complaining about Firefox's dislike of websites without TLS. This has nothing to do with IRC, which is what this whole discussion is about.
        doublerabbit 4y ago
        > You just don't get it. Your missing the point on the fact that IRC is all text. All you could ever do send links. It worked but sucks from now future on. Nowadays where do you host those links? Github? Sure. But the FAFF of setting up a github static wank account. find some lets encrypt cert bot owned by google which expires every six months. Your going to do all that for one IRC Link? In the days before tumblr, the simple days of MSN/Yaho. When IRC was active and flourishing. You could just send a link from your own server, a server in your bedroom. Sitting on your home 56k IP on a http server without needing any cert, any annoying messages, cookie banners to a user. Those days are over. I know, but it hasn't gotten easier. IRC it's sitting right there, the diamond.

Links work.

by gsich 4y ago

Links work.

doublerabbit 4y ago

not without ssl

cassianoleal 4y ago
What does this even mean? If a link has TLS, it will have TLS. If it doesn't, it won't. Like anything on the web.
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  If I have a website that does not require SSL, I don't need an SSL cert. I don't need a screaming firefox window blaring "ThIs SiTe MaY Be InSecUrE" because IRC back in the days you shared links without https. Why does a .jpg need SSL? IRC is a dead feature. Until someone creates a drag-dropable image uploader to the client, IRC is dead. You can add as many features as you wish to the server, but without a client, there is no connection to hyperspace.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - gsich 4y ago
    There is no such screaming window. Please test.
  - kelnos 4y ago
    > IRC is a dead feature. I think all the people who use IRC daily would disagree with you on that. I do agree that IRC is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to feature support, and even just features in the spec. I dislike Slack, but whenever I use Slack for a while, and then switch to IRC for something else, I miss seemingly-simple things like being able to easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages (a feature of Slack's I initially hated, but eventually came to appreciate). I get that it's difficult to add these sorts of things to IRC in a reasonable way, especially when we're talking about degrading gracefully for clients that don't support newer features. But IRC is pretty much the definition of an open, federated protocol failing to avoid ossification.
    - doublerabbit 4y ago
      > I think all the people who use IRC daily would disagree with you on that. What people? I've used IRC for the past 15 years. It is dead. I was the generation to make it alive. You have stale, and chaos. It's old, musky and old. I have no issue with IRC its a robust, reliable protocol. But it's just stale. Its old. "We will invent this" where is it? Who recently has made an attempt at a half-good browser?
      - 6510 4y ago
        You are right and you should fix it.
        doublerabbit 4y ago
        i'll add it to my todo pile
      - palata 4y ago
        Actually I used Matrix for 2 years and went back to IRC recently when I realised that the really cool channels I cared about where on IRC. A few are on Discord (which I really don't like). To me, Matrix seems to be in the middle, and I don't find anyone there.
    - progval 4y ago
      > easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages You can do all this on IRCCloud (which is currently the only IRC client to support them, sadly). However, like you mentioned, other clients won't see reactions or threading.
    - doix 4y ago
      > I do agree that IRC is stuck in the dark ages when it comes to feature support, and even just features in the spec. I dislike Slack, but whenever I use Slack for a while, and then switch to IRC for something else, I miss seemingly-simple things like being able to easily share images, react to messages with emoji, start subthreads in messages (a feature of Slack's I initially hated, but eventually came to appreciate). I like that IRC doesn't have those things. IRC is great because most clients have very high information density. Look at this screenshot [0], look how many messages fit on the screen. Compare that to something like slack. Every message has a bunch of upper and lower padding, an avatar, space for reactions etc. If someone links an image, it can use up half your screen to render it. If someone links something, suddenly there is a preview wasting space. [0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/XchatScreenshot2.6.6.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/XchatScr...
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    > I don't need a screaming firefox window blaring "ThIs SiTe MaY Be InSecUrE" So your problem is with your own choice of browser? This is not related to IRC or web links. > Until someone creates a drag-dropable image uploader to the client Create one yourself, then? IDK, I don't feel the need for it. I use IRC with a web client and it satisfies my needs. > IRC is dead. It's definitely not dead. I use it daily, as do lots of other people. Just because it doesn't have certain features that you want, it doesn't mean it's dead. It just means it's not for you. > there is no connection to hyperspace. I think you're mistaking Star Wars for the Internet.
    - doublerabbit 4y ago
      - cassianoleal 4y ago
        > What Network #Channel have you been in that has active conversation? Just a few examples. On Libera.chat: #proxmox, #btrfs, #docker, #go-nuts, #homeassistant, #linux, #networking, #openwrt, others On OFTC: #asahi and its ancillary -dev and -gpu, #openwrt, #turris, ... I also have friends who I talk to in servers and channels outside of these. > You just don't get it. I don't get what? Your arguments are all over the place, it's kinda funny really... > My problem is how corporate entities are shoving web standards in to our faces and your too blind to care. You were complaining about Firefox's dislike of websites without TLS. This has nothing to do with IRC, which is what this whole discussion is about.
        doublerabbit 4y ago
        > You just don't get it. Your missing the point on the fact that IRC is all text. All you could ever do send links. It worked but sucks from now future on. Nowadays where do you host those links? Github? Sure. But the FAFF of setting up a github static wank account. find some lets encrypt cert bot owned by google which expires every six months. Your going to do all that for one IRC Link? In the days before tumblr, the simple days of MSN/Yaho. When IRC was active and flourishing. You could just send a link from your own server, a server in your bedroom. Sitting on your home 56k IP on a http server without needing any cert, any annoying messages, cookie banners to a user. Those days are over. I know, but it hasn't gotten easier. IRC it's sitting right there, the diamond.