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A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. But the key point is 'if a referendum were blocked, they would fight the next general election as a referendum

A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. But the key point is 'if a referendum were blocked, they would fight the next general election as a referendum instead'. If an actual referendum was allowed and held today it would perhaps be a toss up. But two harsh winters from now if the economy is still spiraling it will be a foregone conclusion. Point being why would anyone invest in Scotland or the rest of the UK during such tumultuous times? And this political instability is set to continue for years and years now.

blibble 4y ago
> A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. But the key point is 'if a referendum were blocked, they would fight the next general election as a referendum instead'. to what end? with no agreement from the UK government nothing will happen > Point being why would anyone invest in Scotland or the rest of the UK during such tumultuous times? there's no doubt it hurts investment in Scotland however its economic impact on leaving the UK would be more or less a non-event for the rest of the UK (Scotland's share of UK GDP being less than the UK's share of EU GDP)
- recuter 4y ago
  > to what end? with no agreement from the UK government nothing will happen Obviously to exploit anti-union sentiments for political gain. > however its economic impact on leaving the UK would be more or less a non-event for the rest of the UK It would be followed by Ireland and the end of the union. England will find itself with a smaller population than Italy and similarly mired in political instability and infighting. The difference between vying for the #1 economy in Europe and #4 is quite profound.
  - blibble 4y ago
    > Obviously to exploit anti-union sentiments for political gain. and how effective has this been? if the UK government doesn't permit it: it doesn't happen, end of story. > It would be followed by Ireland and the end of the union. I have news for you, Ireland left in 1921 (if England does end up being independent again its citizens would be significantly better off as the subsidy to the other parts of the UK are quite considerable)
    - recuter 4y ago
      > if England does end up being independent again its citizens would be significantly better off as the subsidy to the other parts of the UK are quite considerable Great. I hope so, I have no idea. But it won't be the UK anymore. Very different place in the world and very different internal politics. Maybe it will become like a mini-US but without the natural resources and economical clout.. doesn't seem promising.
      - blibble 4y ago
        > Very different place in the world and very different internal politics. it'll be exactly the same an England is essentially the UK (which is the SNP's problem with it) this is explained in one very simple chart: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96b10105bd7d45574f1b597350e26152-pjlq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96b10105bd7d45574f1b5...
stavros 4y ago
> A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. I don't think I've heard this proverb used to justify vague predictions before. It's always been the (proper) meaning of "you were right, but only by accident". It's interesting to see it used in a "I know we've been saying that for eight years, but we'll be right at SOME point!" way.
- recuter 4y ago
  The original is even a broken clock is right twice a day. Meaning sometimes clueless people eventually end up accidentally correct. At least that is my understanding of the proverb, I might just be a blind squirrel.
  - stavros 4y ago
    Yeah, that's my understanding as well. Maybe I misunderstood your usage of it, which, on re-reading your comment, seems likely.

blibble 4y ago

> A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. But the key point is 'if a referendum were blocked, they would fight the next general election as a referendum instead'. to what end? with no agreement from the UK government nothing will happen > Point being why would anyone invest in Scotland or the rest of the UK during such tumultuous times? there's no doubt it hurts investment in Scotland however its economic impact on leaving the UK would be more or less a non-event for the rest of the UK (Scotland's share of UK GDP being less than the UK's share of EU GDP)

recuter 4y ago
> to what end? with no agreement from the UK government nothing will happen Obviously to exploit anti-union sentiments for political gain. > however its economic impact on leaving the UK would be more or less a non-event for the rest of the UK It would be followed by Ireland and the end of the union. England will find itself with a smaller population than Italy and similarly mired in political instability and infighting. The difference between vying for the #1 economy in Europe and #4 is quite profound.
- blibble 4y ago
  > Obviously to exploit anti-union sentiments for political gain. and how effective has this been? if the UK government doesn't permit it: it doesn't happen, end of story. > It would be followed by Ireland and the end of the union. I have news for you, Ireland left in 1921 (if England does end up being independent again its citizens would be significantly better off as the subsidy to the other parts of the UK are quite considerable)
  - recuter 4y ago
    > if England does end up being independent again its citizens would be significantly better off as the subsidy to the other parts of the UK are quite considerable Great. I hope so, I have no idea. But it won't be the UK anymore. Very different place in the world and very different internal politics. Maybe it will become like a mini-US but without the natural resources and economical clout.. doesn't seem promising.
    - blibble 4y ago
      > Very different place in the world and very different internal politics. it'll be exactly the same an England is essentially the UK (which is the SNP's problem with it) this is explained in one very simple chart: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96b10105bd7d45574f1b597350e26152-pjlq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96b10105bd7d45574f1b5...

stavros 4y ago

> A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. I don't think I've heard this proverb used to justify vague predictions before. It's always been the (proper) meaning of "you were right, but only by accident". It's interesting to see it used in a "I know we've been saying that for eight years, but we'll be right at SOME point!" way.

recuter 4y ago
The original is even a broken clock is right twice a day. Meaning sometimes clueless people eventually end up accidentally correct. At least that is my understanding of the proverb, I might just be a blind squirrel.
- stavros 4y ago
  Yeah, that's my understanding as well. Maybe I misunderstood your usage of it, which, on re-reading your comment, seems likely.