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> I do wonder if there is any ideological side to this from Musk. I think this is giving Musk too much credit. He hasn't shown ideological consistency on any i

by smt88 4y ago

> I do wonder if there is any ideological side to this from Musk. I think this is giving Musk too much credit. He hasn't shown ideological consistency on any issue, and that includes free speech.

karp773 4y ago
Right, he seems to be 100% opportunistic.
memish 4y ago
Uh, being able to change your mind and not limiting yourself to a pre-subscribed set of ideas is a good thing.
- hairofadog 4y ago
  I mean there’s changing your mind through learning and growing, and then there’s spewing contradictory ideas as they pop into your head because they suit you in the moment. I may be proven wrong but this feels to me like the latter.
  - frumper 4y ago
    Sounds pretty human. We’re bundles of contradictions.
    - smt88 4y ago
      That doesn’t stop most other responsible, powerful adults from being more thoughtful and considerate about decisions than Musk ever is.
      - frumper 4y ago
        I’m sure if you shine a spotlight the size musk has on him on other people then you’d find we all contract ourselves in a lot of ways.
- smt88 4y ago
  That's true, but that's not what's happening here. Musk reverses his stance on things whimsically and self-servingly. He's not even saying that he has new evidence. His thoughts and actions are completely erratic.
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  - memish 4y ago
    From your perspective it appears erratic because you don't have the same information.
    - smt88 4y ago
      People at Twitter with more information than either Musk or me are telling us all that he isn’t well-informed and is guided by his whims and conceit, not by facts.
darthrupert 4y ago
>He hasn't shown ideological consistency on any issue, and that includes free speech. Matches Trump pretty perfectly in that way, though.
papito 4y ago
In the last few years this strain of neo-libertarianism has become rather distinguishable. It's a weird cocktail of shamelessness, anti-any-government, "nothing matters", "money is power", crypto and web3 scammers and anarchists. The ultra-rich like Musk fit right in because "small government and no regulation" movement plays right into their hands. In murky waters where everyone is off your case, you can grab even more money and power. Recall that Musk expressed a very clear distaste for Cheetoh Jesus in the early days but, like many before him, the black hole that is Trump pulled in the "star" and then ripped it apart. He got a taste of that world and he liked it. Being horrible and owning it is sort of freeing (for someone who can afford it).

by smt88 4y ago

> I do wonder if there is any ideological side to this from Musk. I think this is giving Musk too much credit. He hasn't shown ideological consistency on any issue, and that includes free speech.

karp773 4y ago

Right, he seems to be 100% opportunistic.

memish 4y ago

Uh, being able to change your mind and not limiting yourself to a pre-subscribed set of ideas is a good thing.

hairofadog 4y ago
I mean there’s changing your mind through learning and growing, and then there’s spewing contradictory ideas as they pop into your head because they suit you in the moment. I may be proven wrong but this feels to me like the latter.
- frumper 4y ago
  Sounds pretty human. We’re bundles of contradictions.
  - smt88 4y ago
    That doesn’t stop most other responsible, powerful adults from being more thoughtful and considerate about decisions than Musk ever is.
    - frumper 4y ago
      I’m sure if you shine a spotlight the size musk has on him on other people then you’d find we all contract ourselves in a lot of ways.
smt88 4y ago
That's true, but that's not what's happening here. Musk reverses his stance on things whimsically and self-servingly. He's not even saying that he has new evidence. His thoughts and actions are completely erratic.
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- memish 4y ago
  From your perspective it appears erratic because you don't have the same information.
  - smt88 4y ago
    People at Twitter with more information than either Musk or me are telling us all that he isn’t well-informed and is guided by his whims and conceit, not by facts.

darthrupert 4y ago

>He hasn't shown ideological consistency on any issue, and that includes free speech. Matches Trump pretty perfectly in that way, though.

papito 4y ago

In the last few years this strain of neo-libertarianism has become rather distinguishable. It's a weird cocktail of shamelessness, anti-any-government, "nothing matters", "money is power", crypto and web3 scammers and anarchists. The ultra-rich like Musk fit right in because "small government and no regulation" movement plays right into their hands. In murky waters where everyone is off your case, you can grab even more money and power. Recall that Musk expressed a very clear distaste for Cheetoh Jesus in the early days but, like many before him, the black hole that is Trump pulled in the "star" and then ripped it apart. He got a taste of that world and he liked it. Being horrible and owning it is sort of freeing (for someone who can afford it).