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1. Patient’s life is so chaotic and devoid of meaning that they seek out powerful drugs to live in an alternate reality despite the fact that it’s slowly killin

1. Patient’s life is so chaotic and devoid of meaning that they seek out powerful drugs to live in an alternate reality despite the fact that it’s slowly killing them. 2. Society says “Oh no, you are suffering, let us help you”. 3. Instead of fixing society’s ills that caused this person’s suffering (too hard right now), society says “Hey you know that medicine you take all the time? We’ll inject you with this and then it won’t work any more. Now you can enjoy reality!” 4. The doctors leave and the patient is once again alone. Patient kills themselves. 5. No more suffering! Society solved the problem!

bergenty 4y ago
Nonsense. 1. Some people want to do cocaine or ecstasy a couple of times a year. 2. They don’t die from a fentanyl overdose. 3. Success!
- goldenchrome 4y ago
  I accept that use case but I don’t think “safer recreational drug use” is the heroic victory that the researchers or the scientific press were hoping for.
  - lilboiluvr69 4y ago
    Preventing people from accidentally dying from overdose seems like a pretty worthy goal.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    I feel like the recreation cocaine/Molly user base is much higher and preventable deaths there are much easier to well… prevent.
thebigspacefuck 4y ago
What’s interesting though is that it doesn’t prevent morphine from working, so they could still abuse opiates, it’s just more expensive.
lilboiluvr69 4y ago
I agree. At the same time, I can see this as being a useful tool for saving lives. It's funny I'm seeing this actually. I'm actually on kratom right now, I bought some earlier today. I didn't really want to, I don't want to be on kratom because it's opiod like and expensive and can cause dependence. But I was getting so down that I was seriously worried I was going to kill myself, so I took it as an antidepressant. I suffer from treatment resistant depression. Part of it is genetic (depression runs in my family) and I'm sure a lot of it is environmental (being minor attracted in our current society fills me with feelings of self-loathing and worthlessness) After trying a bunch of different SSRIs and SNRIs, I finally found a treatment that worked: Ketamine. I went to a clinic and got infusions, then was given take-home troches. It was amazing. Every time I started to get depressed (every few weeks), I would take a troche and abort that cycle of depression. My friends couldn't believe it. That combined with self-practiced CBT has really helped. However I recently moved and no clinic in my area will offer prescription ketamine due to concerns about abuse. Okay, whatever...I could go in and get infusions. But every infusion costs ~$500 per session. Ketamine is prescribed off-label for depression, so insurance does not cover it. That's because nobody has funded the clinical trials necessary for the FDA to approve ketamine for depression. Despite the fact that everybody knows it's one of the best treatments for depression, it's generic, so drug companies have no profit incentive. There's esketmaine, but I've heard mixed reviews and popular opinion seems to point that it isn't nearly as effective. I wonder how many millions and millions of people, including people who are using opiods as an antidepressant, would benefit if some group (maybe the government) would just pay to get ketamine on-label for depression, and thus covered by insurance. I feel like that would do more to lower opioid abuse than a million high school DARE presentations...
- goldenchrome 4y ago
  Your username is utterly unacceptable. Children should not be sexualized and you’ve gone even further than that by sexually objectifying them. Do not continue down this path. Turn around. Go back. Fix what you need to fix. The self-loathing and worthlessness you feel right now is unfortunate but it’s an accurate assessment. You need to improve because your current state is unacceptable.

bergenty 4y ago

Nonsense. 1. Some people want to do cocaine or ecstasy a couple of times a year. 2. They don’t die from a fentanyl overdose. 3. Success!

goldenchrome 4y ago
I accept that use case but I don’t think “safer recreational drug use” is the heroic victory that the researchers or the scientific press were hoping for.
- lilboiluvr69 4y ago
  Preventing people from accidentally dying from overdose seems like a pretty worthy goal.
- bergenty 4y ago
  I feel like the recreation cocaine/Molly user base is much higher and preventable deaths there are much easier to well… prevent.

thebigspacefuck 4y ago

What’s interesting though is that it doesn’t prevent morphine from working, so they could still abuse opiates, it’s just more expensive.

lilboiluvr69 4y ago

I agree. At the same time, I can see this as being a useful tool for saving lives. It's funny I'm seeing this actually. I'm actually on kratom right now, I bought some earlier today. I didn't really want to, I don't want to be on kratom because it's opiod like and expensive and can cause dependence. But I was getting so down that I was seriously worried I was going to kill myself, so I took it as an antidepressant. I suffer from treatment resistant depression. Part of it is genetic (depression runs in my family) and I'm sure a lot of it is environmental (being minor attracted in our current society fills me with feelings of self-loathing and worthlessness) After trying a bunch of different SSRIs and SNRIs, I finally found a treatment that worked: Ketamine. I went to a clinic and got infusions, then was given take-home troches. It was amazing. Every time I started to get depressed (every few weeks), I would take a troche and abort that cycle of depression. My friends couldn't believe it. That combined with self-practiced CBT has really helped. However I recently moved and no clinic in my area will offer prescription ketamine due to concerns about abuse. Okay, whatever...I could go in and get infusions. But every infusion costs ~$500 per session. Ketamine is prescribed off-label for depression, so insurance does not cover it. That's because nobody has funded the clinical trials necessary for the FDA to approve ketamine for depression. Despite the fact that everybody knows it's one of the best treatments for depression, it's generic, so drug companies have no profit incentive. There's esketmaine, but I've heard mixed reviews and popular opinion seems to point that it isn't nearly as effective. I wonder how many millions and millions of people, including people who are using opiods as an antidepressant, would benefit if some group (maybe the government) would just pay to get ketamine on-label for depression, and thus covered by insurance. I feel like that would do more to lower opioid abuse than a million high school DARE presentations...

goldenchrome 4y ago
Your username is utterly unacceptable. Children should not be sexualized and you’ve gone even further than that by sexually objectifying them. Do not continue down this path. Turn around. Go back. Fix what you need to fix. The self-loathing and worthlessness you feel right now is unfortunate but it’s an accurate assessment. You need to improve because your current state is unacceptable.