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They’re not anywhere near where the Swiss universities are if you look at the rankings.

by chrisseaton 4y ago

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
That is true, but I believe this to be irrelevant for what is happening. Switzerland is not funding the shortfall which means that for researchers the game has changed as a result that topic is hot in Switzerland still, in the EU not.
phatfish 4y ago
In the UK at least the "world class" universities do nothing for the native population and very little for the country in general. Their primary reason for existence now is for rich foreigners (mainly from China and the middle east) to give their kids a status symbol education, this includes not failing bad students because the fees are so high. The only people to benefit from this is are the University leadership and the property developers that build luxury accommodation for all the rich students. I'm not sure if it is that bad in Switzerland. If they properly fund higher education for native citizens maybe not.
bigbillheck 4y ago
I just looked, US News ranked ETH Zurich as #29 globally, but Univ. of Amsterdam is #39, Univ. of Copenhagen is #42, and then ten more European[0] universities before getting to the Univ. of Zurich at #67 overall. I scrolled down a ways further but didn't see any more Swiss universities listed. [0] I excluded the UK but I'm not going to check which Nordic countries are EU members. It's well-known that the US News rankings have their problems, but it seems like they'd have to be really out of the ordinary in order to support your claims.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  If you look at international research rankings rather than US college rankings (because it's about Horizon) it's very different. https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023 https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-un... Only one EU in the top 50.

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They’re not anywhere near where the Swiss universities are if you look at the rankings.

by chrisseaton 4y ago

They’re not anywhere near where the Swiss universities are if you look at the rankings.

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
That is true, but I believe this to be irrelevant for what is happening. Switzerland is not funding the shortfall which means that for researchers the game has changed as a result that topic is hot in Switzerland still, in the EU not.
phatfish 4y ago
In the UK at least the "world class" universities do nothing for the native population and very little for the country in general. Their primary reason for existence now is for rich foreigners (mainly from China and the middle east) to give their kids a status symbol education, this includes not failing bad students because the fees are so high. The only people to benefit from this is are the University leadership and the property developers that build luxury accommodation for all the rich students. I'm not sure if it is that bad in Switzerland. If they properly fund higher education for native citizens maybe not.
bigbillheck 4y ago
I just looked, US News ranked ETH Zurich as #29 globally, but Univ. of Amsterdam is #39, Univ. of Copenhagen is #42, and then ten more European[0] universities before getting to the Univ. of Zurich at #67 overall. I scrolled down a ways further but didn't see any more Swiss universities listed. [0] I excluded the UK but I'm not going to check which Nordic countries are EU members. It's well-known that the US News rankings have their problems, but it seems like they'd have to be really out of the ordinary in order to support your claims.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  If you look at international research rankings rather than US college rankings (because it's about Horizon) it's very different. https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2023 https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-un... Only one EU in the top 50.