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Given that my opinion hasn't changed much for 8 years, I suspect, I wasn't parroting the 'fanboy' rhetoric from 2022 back in 2015.

dagmx 4y ago
2015 isn’t that long ago when it comes to Elon fandom though. 2015 is firmly in the period when he was amassing his fandom with the work at Tesla. The S was 2012 and the X was 2015. Both were huge things for his legacy that captured many minds, especially the X with its bold door design. So I’m not sure what your point could even be given that you sound like a long term Elon fan. Generally your talking points are straight out of every populist fan base.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  In 2015 the "populist" opinion was that Tesla wouldn't beat Toyota/Ford/GM/VW at making Electric Vehicles. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that it was popular to think Tesla was going to beat GM at making EVs in 2015.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Populist != popular In fact, populist is often not popular till it hits a runaway inflection point. As a case point: Trump was a populist leader but was not a popular leader NOR *the* popular leader. Besides, this is not about the view of Tesla but the view of Elon.
    - gitfan86 4y ago
      So when did it become populist to hate Elon Musk?
      - dagmx 4y ago
        Again, popular != populist. It is not populist to dislike Elon, however dislike of Elon is currently popular.
        gitfan86 4y ago
        Right, that was my point in the original post. It used to be popular to laugh at Tesla and say they would never beat Toyota/GM. Now it is popular to dislike Elon Musk, even though he has revolutionized the auto sector. Ironically the same people who dislike Musk today were the same people a few years ago that were all upset about oil drilling. They are anti-electric cars AND anti gas cars.
        dagmx 4y ago
        Both your original comment and this one make zero sense because you seem to fundamentally misunderstand the dislike for Elon, and you seem to be projecting it onto Tesla and then extrapolating it to EVs in general. People can dislike Elon without disliking Tesla. People can dislike Tesla without disliking EVs. Again, your argument is illogical as presented, and I suspect is borne out of an emotional reaction to the aforementioned wealth growth that you spoke of.
        dang 4y ago
        I'm afraid you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread—such as by crossing into personal attack, as here. Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting? Your substantive points will do just fine without name-calling or swipes. In fact, they'll do better as they will be more persuasive that way. Edit: perhaps specifics will be helpful. These comments seem fine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682193 But these are not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681574 If you'd generally just avoid personal pejorative language, this would solve most of the problem. I add this because I've noticed it in at least one other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33615209 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33615209. If you know more than someone else, that's great—by all means please share some of what you know, so the rest of us can learn. Just please do it without putting down the other person (such as by describing them as ignorant or "emotional").

dagmx 4y ago

2015 isn’t that long ago when it comes to Elon fandom though. 2015 is firmly in the period when he was amassing his fandom with the work at Tesla. The S was 2012 and the X was 2015. Both were huge things for his legacy that captured many minds, especially the X with its bold door design. So I’m not sure what your point could even be given that you sound like a long term Elon fan. Generally your talking points are straight out of every populist fan base.

gitfan86 4y ago
In 2015 the "populist" opinion was that Tesla wouldn't beat Toyota/Ford/GM/VW at making Electric Vehicles. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that it was popular to think Tesla was going to beat GM at making EVs in 2015.
- dagmx 4y ago
  Populist != popular In fact, populist is often not popular till it hits a runaway inflection point. As a case point: Trump was a populist leader but was not a popular leader NOR *the* popular leader. Besides, this is not about the view of Tesla but the view of Elon.
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    So when did it become populist to hate Elon Musk?
    - dagmx 4y ago
      Again, popular != populist. It is not populist to dislike Elon, however dislike of Elon is currently popular.
      - gitfan86 4y ago
        Right, that was my point in the original post. It used to be popular to laugh at Tesla and say they would never beat Toyota/GM. Now it is popular to dislike Elon Musk, even though he has revolutionized the auto sector. Ironically the same people who dislike Musk today were the same people a few years ago that were all upset about oil drilling. They are anti-electric cars AND anti gas cars.
        dagmx 4y ago
        Both your original comment and this one make zero sense because you seem to fundamentally misunderstand the dislike for Elon, and you seem to be projecting it onto Tesla and then extrapolating it to EVs in general. People can dislike Elon without disliking Tesla. People can dislike Tesla without disliking EVs. Again, your argument is illogical as presented, and I suspect is borne out of an emotional reaction to the aforementioned wealth growth that you spoke of.
        dang 4y ago
        I'm afraid you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread—such as by crossing into personal attack, as here. Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting? Your substantive points will do just fine without name-calling or swipes. In fact, they'll do better as they will be more persuasive that way. Edit: perhaps specifics will be helpful. These comments seem fine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682193 But these are not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33682662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681574 If you'd generally just avoid personal pejorative language, this would solve most of the problem. I add this because I've noticed it in at least one other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33615209 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33615209. If you know more than someone else, that's great—by all means please share some of what you know, so the rest of us can learn. Just please do it without putting down the other person (such as by describing them as ignorant or "emotional").