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> Why would or should men be included in something they are excluded from by nature, by biology, and by logic? Especially when it's regarding medical informatio

> Why would or should men be included in something they are excluded from by nature, by biology, and by logic? Especially when it's regarding medical information I think you made the classic mistake of assuming that terms such as “birthing parent” are a way of including trans women. They aren’t. They’re for the benefit of trans men and non-binary individuals who are able to give birth. This isn’t about including people incapable of giving birth. It’s about including people who ARE.

brigandish 4y ago
Thanks for pointing out the mistake, but since the people giving birth are women and only women can give birth then what is the need to change the terms? They're included.
- thelopa 4y ago
  That’s a nice tautology you’ve got there. Regardless, looking at people who explicitly say “we are not women” and then saying “they’re women” seems a bit rude and dismissive of their life experience if you ask me. Personally, if a person with a full beard, an imposing physique, and a deep voice says “I’m a man”, I take them at their word. I guess you might ask them to drop their pants to see if they’re really a “woman”, though.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    The only reason it can be a tautology is because of the fact that women are the only ones who can get pregnant, it’s an observation that accords with reality. I’m willing to go along with a lot of things an individual wants, calling them a name of their choosing, not bringing up the obvious incongruities in their appearance etc all out of respect, so much of it is simply breaking gender norms that why wouldn’t I? But I’m not the one breaking the spell here, they are, men can’t get pregnant, that’s not breaking a gender norm, that is an impossibility and I’m not willing to go along with such clear nonsense. If they want to continue the charade then don’t get pregnant. That’s not on me or anyone else.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    Not all women can become pregnant but if someone is currently pregnant then that proves they are a woman.
  - orestarod 4y ago
    What is the information given when someone states "I am a woman/man"?

brigandish 4y ago

Thanks for pointing out the mistake, but since the people giving birth are women and only women can give birth then what is the need to change the terms? They're included.

thelopa 4y ago
That’s a nice tautology you’ve got there. Regardless, looking at people who explicitly say “we are not women” and then saying “they’re women” seems a bit rude and dismissive of their life experience if you ask me. Personally, if a person with a full beard, an imposing physique, and a deep voice says “I’m a man”, I take them at their word. I guess you might ask them to drop their pants to see if they’re really a “woman”, though.
- brigandish 4y ago
  The only reason it can be a tautology is because of the fact that women are the only ones who can get pregnant, it’s an observation that accords with reality. I’m willing to go along with a lot of things an individual wants, calling them a name of their choosing, not bringing up the obvious incongruities in their appearance etc all out of respect, so much of it is simply breaking gender norms that why wouldn’t I? But I’m not the one breaking the spell here, they are, men can’t get pregnant, that’s not breaking a gender norm, that is an impossibility and I’m not willing to go along with such clear nonsense. If they want to continue the charade then don’t get pregnant. That’s not on me or anyone else.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  Not all women can become pregnant but if someone is currently pregnant then that proves they are a woman.
- orestarod 4y ago
  What is the information given when someone states "I am a woman/man"?