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I am reading lot of people are moving to mastodon. I never thought federation was the future but the more I think about it the more it is starting to make sense

I am reading lot of people are moving to mastodon. I never thought federation was the future but the more I think about it the more it is starting to make sense. The good part is federated alternatives do not look like massive echo chambers like Twitter is. Even if certain server does turn into an echo chamber the rest of network can just leave that server alone. Federation is closer to our actual societies. People don't clash on daily basis in our societies at least not as much as they do on Twitter. In real life, we avoid certain topics or getting involved with certain groups or going to regions/squares in cities where we know there is possibility of conflict. All these aspects are already well replicated into fediverse.

EarlKing 4y ago
> a lot A few thousand out of millions is not a lot. The fact that it took them until now to leave, just a few weeks after Musk took over, shows that it's not anything policy-related and motivated entirely by the removal of insiders from positions of influence within Twitter. Now they want to go infest the Fediverse. I think they'll find they're just as unwelcome there as they are on Twitter.
- ttiurani 4y ago
  > A few thousand It's around 5000 per hour, well over a million new active users this month. https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109368148529393065 https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109368148529393065
- MiguelX413 4y ago
  https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boosted-by-twitter-drama-mastodon-reaches-1-million-active-monthly-users https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boosted-by-twitter-drama-m... A few million, in contrast, is a lot. I partially agree that there were already several reasons to leave and that only leaving now means many will return. However, as someone who's been on the Fediverse for years and never found Twitter even usable, I must say the following: I don't really see how those users were in positions of power or influence, not do I see how they would be an infestation to the Fediverse. I also have not seen much unwelcoming content to the Twitter refugees in my area of the Fediverse. Though it is very hard to make judgments about the Fediverse since it's not even centralized or monolithic. https://pleroma.miguelcr.me/notice/APk4LL8HJtqJIoA2m8 https://pleroma.miguelcr.me/notice/APk4LL8HJtqJIoA2m8
- rsynnott 4y ago
  There's an aspect of quality vs quantity. At this point, most of the people I'm actually bothered about following are on Mastodon (this may a feature of my bubble, of course, but it works for me). There are, granted, a lot fewer first-name-bunch-of-numbers weirdos hassling people in the replies, but, I mean, I can live with that.
kramerger 4y ago
If you think about it, a lot of things on the internet are already federated by design For example the World Wide Web.
- anthropodie 4y ago
  Yes but social media was not.
hsn915 4y ago
Federation actually makes no sense. It's not a global network like twitter; you are under the mercy of the admins of the node you are on. You might get suspended without an option to pull your data and migrate to a different node. Nodes can cut each other off if they don't like each other's politics. So you can't just joina a node and be on the network. You have to find an instance that aligns with your politics.
- spc476 4y ago
  And that's different from Twitter ... how? I mean, aside from the federation aspect.
- MiguelX413 4y ago
  These are rarely problems, really.
mikro2nd 4y ago
Was thinking along these lines earlier when I saw that Mastodon now has something north of 7M users (including bots? are there many bots there? some, for sure, but probably not a lot). 7M is the population of a good-size city. Twitter has something like 24M/day active (including bots. lots of bots!). The difference is that Twitter is just one big, wide-open agora, lots of touts shouting at the tops of their voices, and heard over all the space. Mastodon instances are natural neighbourhoods. You eventually find one that suits you and settle there. You don't like it after a while, or you find somewhere better, you move. You can very easily avoid the dodgy parts of the city (or visit them if that's your thing) and just hang out where you're comfortable. For me that's the key difference between the two.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > 7M is the population of a good-size city. Twitter has something like 24M/day active (including bots. lots of bots!). According to Statista [1], you're off by an order of magnitude (237.8m mDAU), and that number should exclude bots (though I don't know how accurate it is). [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/970920/monetizable-daily-active-twitter-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/970920/monetizable-daily...
  - mikro2nd 4y ago
    OK. I was going with something Mr Musk quoted the other day, but my aging memory may well be faulty.

EarlKing 4y ago

> a lot A few thousand out of millions is not a lot. The fact that it took them until now to leave, just a few weeks after Musk took over, shows that it's not anything policy-related and motivated entirely by the removal of insiders from positions of influence within Twitter. Now they want to go infest the Fediverse. I think they'll find they're just as unwelcome there as they are on Twitter.

ttiurani 4y ago
> A few thousand It's around 5000 per hour, well over a million new active users this month. https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109368148529393065 https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109368148529393065
MiguelX413 4y ago
https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boosted-by-twitter-drama-mastodon-reaches-1-million-active-monthly-users https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boosted-by-twitter-drama-m... A few million, in contrast, is a lot. I partially agree that there were already several reasons to leave and that only leaving now means many will return. However, as someone who's been on the Fediverse for years and never found Twitter even usable, I must say the following: I don't really see how those users were in positions of power or influence, not do I see how they would be an infestation to the Fediverse. I also have not seen much unwelcoming content to the Twitter refugees in my area of the Fediverse. Though it is very hard to make judgments about the Fediverse since it's not even centralized or monolithic. https://pleroma.miguelcr.me/notice/APk4LL8HJtqJIoA2m8 https://pleroma.miguelcr.me/notice/APk4LL8HJtqJIoA2m8
rsynnott 4y ago
There's an aspect of quality vs quantity. At this point, most of the people I'm actually bothered about following are on Mastodon (this may a feature of my bubble, of course, but it works for me). There are, granted, a lot fewer first-name-bunch-of-numbers weirdos hassling people in the replies, but, I mean, I can live with that.

kramerger 4y ago

If you think about it, a lot of things on the internet are already federated by design For example the World Wide Web.

anthropodie 4y ago
Yes but social media was not.

hsn915 4y ago

Federation actually makes no sense. It's not a global network like twitter; you are under the mercy of the admins of the node you are on. You might get suspended without an option to pull your data and migrate to a different node. Nodes can cut each other off if they don't like each other's politics. So you can't just joina a node and be on the network. You have to find an instance that aligns with your politics.

spc476 4y ago
And that's different from Twitter ... how? I mean, aside from the federation aspect.
MiguelX413 4y ago
These are rarely problems, really.

mikro2nd 4y ago

Was thinking along these lines earlier when I saw that Mastodon now has something north of 7M users (including bots? are there many bots there? some, for sure, but probably not a lot). 7M is the population of a good-size city. Twitter has something like 24M/day active (including bots. lots of bots!). The difference is that Twitter is just one big, wide-open agora, lots of touts shouting at the tops of their voices, and heard over all the space. Mastodon instances are natural neighbourhoods. You eventually find one that suits you and settle there. You don't like it after a while, or you find somewhere better, you move. You can very easily avoid the dodgy parts of the city (or visit them if that's your thing) and just hang out where you're comfortable. For me that's the key difference between the two.

luckylion 4y ago
> 7M is the population of a good-size city. Twitter has something like 24M/day active (including bots. lots of bots!). According to Statista [1], you're off by an order of magnitude (237.8m mDAU), and that number should exclude bots (though I don't know how accurate it is). [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/970920/monetizable-daily-active-twitter-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/970920/monetizable-daily...
- mikro2nd 4y ago
  OK. I was going with something Mr Musk quoted the other day, but my aging memory may well be faulty.