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That. ICE drivers don’t mind driving 20 min to refill but for god sake 30m drinking a coffee is unthinkable. And apparently none of them has spotted that rechar

That. ICE drivers don’t mind driving 20 min to refill but for god sake 30m drinking a coffee is unthinkable. And apparently none of them has spotted that recharging points are everywhere. The range expectations are also completely crazy - driving more than 2 hours without a break is just unsafe and advised against. I wonder when the GP even goes to the bathroom.

cheeze 4y ago
While I agree that EVs make sense in a lot of cases, I feel like you're min-maxing your values here to be as beneficial as possible to EVs. Filling my (non economical, okay mileage) car takes ~5 minutes. I get ~300mi range from it. 30 minutes waiting for my car to charge up to 1/4-1/2 the mileage is a hard sell for some folks, depending on their workflow. I unfortunately can't run 240 at home, don't have ability to charge at work, and often find myself places that don't have many chargers in the area. For many, EV totally works. But to say it's 20 vs 30 minutes is a little silly, IMO. Not to mention that many people drive more than 2 hours without a break. I get that it's advised against, but I still want that ability in my car without being forced to stop.
- csa 4y ago
  > Filling my (non economical, okay mileage) car takes ~5 minutes. I get ~300mi range from it. Your median wait to “fill up” an ev for many/most people is 0 minutes, because they do it at home. > Not to mention that many people drive more than 2 hours without a break. This is standard in teslas, it’s standard in the Ioniq 6, and it will be standard in most mass market EVs in the near future (there may be a niche market for local-only cars). EVs are only an issue for two types of folks: 1. Folks who can’t charge at home/work, and don’t have a natural place to charge while they are doing something else. Imho, this is an infrastructure issue that will be solved. 2. Folks who frequently take long road trips in a cannonball run style. Even this will be solvable with advance in battery tech (rumors are that Tesla have this tech in hand). 500-600 mile ranges with reasonable battery weight will be a thing.
skeletal88 4y ago
What? Driving 20 min to fill the tank? Who and where does that? I fill it in a few minutes on the way from work to home.
- maigret 4y ago
  Back and forth makes it 10m one way. I know many people who drive longer than this to refill, esp in rural or congested areas.

cheeze 4y ago

While I agree that EVs make sense in a lot of cases, I feel like you're min-maxing your values here to be as beneficial as possible to EVs. Filling my (non economical, okay mileage) car takes ~5 minutes. I get ~300mi range from it. 30 minutes waiting for my car to charge up to 1/4-1/2 the mileage is a hard sell for some folks, depending on their workflow. I unfortunately can't run 240 at home, don't have ability to charge at work, and often find myself places that don't have many chargers in the area. For many, EV totally works. But to say it's 20 vs 30 minutes is a little silly, IMO. Not to mention that many people drive more than 2 hours without a break. I get that it's advised against, but I still want that ability in my car without being forced to stop.

csa 4y ago
> Filling my (non economical, okay mileage) car takes ~5 minutes. I get ~300mi range from it. Your median wait to “fill up” an ev for many/most people is 0 minutes, because they do it at home. > Not to mention that many people drive more than 2 hours without a break. This is standard in teslas, it’s standard in the Ioniq 6, and it will be standard in most mass market EVs in the near future (there may be a niche market for local-only cars). EVs are only an issue for two types of folks: 1. Folks who can’t charge at home/work, and don’t have a natural place to charge while they are doing something else. Imho, this is an infrastructure issue that will be solved. 2. Folks who frequently take long road trips in a cannonball run style. Even this will be solvable with advance in battery tech (rumors are that Tesla have this tech in hand). 500-600 mile ranges with reasonable battery weight will be a thing.

skeletal88 4y ago

What? Driving 20 min to fill the tank? Who and where does that? I fill it in a few minutes on the way from work to home.

maigret 4y ago
Back and forth makes it 10m one way. I know many people who drive longer than this to refill, esp in rural or congested areas.