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Keep reducing and they’re just people. Why the insistence on being a “woman” at all? What’s wrong with just being trans? Or you know, just an effeminate male or

Keep reducing and they’re just people. Why the insistence on being a “woman” at all? What’s wrong with just being trans? Or you know, just an effeminate male or butch woman? When I admitted I was gay I didn’t want to still be called a straight male.

antiterra 4y ago
I have a friend whose ovaries were removed when she was a child, and, as a result, she was never fertile. She's not trans, an effeminate male or a butch woman. This would be the case even if she did not receive hormone therapy. She's a woman, and it's not 'reductive' to separate being a woman from reproductive function or hormones.
- xcrunner529 4y ago
  No but that’s a man made operation. Doesn’t change the origins biological sex. I think rather than trying to change gender from the original biological meaning, maybe (like someone else here said) treat it like a religious identity. You can have a “personality” trait of masculine, feminine, etc.
  - antiterra 4y ago
    I said women shouldn’t be defined by their fertility. This is inclusive of XX women. You blindly interpreted it as an argument to separate biological sex from gender. The comment I responded to claimed that referring to someone by a biological function such as menstruating was objectifying. I don’t think that follows, because being fertile is not a requirement to be a woman. Further, if all that matters to you to define biological sex is karyotype regardless of biological expression, that is like a religion.
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- HyperSane 4y ago
  But she is still XX and was born with ovaries.
  - antiterra 4y ago
    That’s irrelevant to the point. We should not define women by their fertility, therefore it is not objectifying to refer to some women by their fertility.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      "We should not define women by their fertility" Not all women can be pregnant, but a person who is pregnant is a woman.
      - antiterra 4y ago
        Even if they are 46,XY with ovotestes?
        HyperSane 4y ago
        Can they become pregnant? In any case we don't have to modify language for one in a billion freaks.
antiterra 4y ago
I have a friend who had a hysterectomy as a child because of cancer. She can't and never could have children. Is she not a woman because she isn't 'so

antiterra 4y ago

I have a friend whose ovaries were removed when she was a child, and, as a result, she was never fertile. She's not trans, an effeminate male or a butch woman. This would be the case even if she did not receive hormone therapy. She's a woman, and it's not 'reductive' to separate being a woman from reproductive function or hormones.

xcrunner529 4y ago
No but that’s a man made operation. Doesn’t change the origins biological sex. I think rather than trying to change gender from the original biological meaning, maybe (like someone else here said) treat it like a religious identity. You can have a “personality” trait of masculine, feminine, etc.
- antiterra 4y ago
  I said women shouldn’t be defined by their fertility. This is inclusive of XX women. You blindly interpreted it as an argument to separate biological sex from gender. The comment I responded to claimed that referring to someone by a biological function such as menstruating was objectifying. I don’t think that follows, because being fertile is not a requirement to be a woman. Further, if all that matters to you to define biological sex is karyotype regardless of biological expression, that is like a religion.
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HyperSane 4y ago
But she is still XX and was born with ovaries.
- antiterra 4y ago
  That’s irrelevant to the point. We should not define women by their fertility, therefore it is not objectifying to refer to some women by their fertility.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    "We should not define women by their fertility" Not all women can be pregnant, but a person who is pregnant is a woman.
    - antiterra 4y ago
      Even if they are 46,XY with ovotestes?
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        Can they become pregnant? In any case we don't have to modify language for one in a billion freaks.

antiterra 4y ago

I have a friend who had a hysterectomy as a child because of cancer. She can't and never could have children. Is she not a woman because she isn't 'so