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Whether or not you can find information on how anemic animals behave when confined to cages doesn’t change the fact that this suffering does occur. The obligati

Whether or not you can find information on how anemic animals behave when confined to cages doesn’t change the fact that this suffering does occur. The obligation is not on me to painstakingly hold your hand through understanding how fucked up the treatment of calves raised for food is. I understand this topic perfectly well, which is exactly why I don’t support the insanity that is animal agriculture.

fargle 4y ago
> i understand this topic perfectly well clearly you do not. you watch a few videos of "cute" animals being mistreated by the worst and poorest industrial farms and think you know what goes on? you don't even know a lamb from a calf or veal from a chop. > I don’t support the insanity that is animal agriculture there is a wide range between ethical and despicable. the average is much closer to ethical end of that range - because it is actually more profitable to care for your crop, before eating it. how many animals (or people) die indirectly due to farming vegetables? ever think of that? do you support the insanity of any kind of farming? you're human. that makes you, inescapably, culpable for the destruction of nature, same as pretty much every other human. to try to paint yourself as better because you pretend you don't destroy your favorite kinds of nature makes you a hypocrite. and very poorly informed.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  You think you’re making some type of well constructed argument, but it’s the same flawed reasoning that every. single. carnist. uses over and over and over. it’s extremely tiring. You’re also very hung up on my typo. Why? It just makes your argument seem fragile and you seem bitter. I made this offer elsewhere in the thread: if you wanna discuss this further then email me and we can find time to video chat. I’m not about to spend my time patiently explaining why you’re argument is nonsensical, but if you want to chat then I’m down.
  - fargle 4y ago
    - you don't even know the difference between a sheep and a cow. that's not a "typo" - that's a clue that you are frothing at the mouth and spewing your anger so fast that you don't even know what you are saying. - you post facts that aren't true. your original post contained 100% fiction. - you defend them with a video that doesn't actually back you up. - you still haven't defended that any animal production, veal, not even foie gras, has any aspect of an animal being forced to drink urine, let alone due to anemia. that's just untrue. > "same flawed reasoning that every. single. carnist." - it's not flawed to use logic and facts vs. the emotional appeal, such as the video you posted. - perhaps the reason every. single. meat-loving. animal-loving. person. uses the same arguments is because they are right and are more logical and moral than your propagandized appeals (that are not really even arguments). you are allowed to believe anything you want to - that's your prerogative. but you need to stop hallucinating that you sane and everybody else is "insane" and wrong. you are the one making terrible attempts at arguments and sounding both quite bitter and agitated. > we can find time to video chat. I'll zoom you the next time it's time to kill and pluck one of the chickens. that'll definitely change your mind. <- see that's how you sound.
    - sweetheart 4y ago
      Here is the link to my calendly if you want to put time down to chat. I won't be upset if you're too afraid, though! Cheers. https://calendly.com/veganism-chat/30min https://calendly.com/veganism-chat/30min

fargle 4y ago

> i understand this topic perfectly well clearly you do not. you watch a few videos of "cute" animals being mistreated by the worst and poorest industrial farms and think you know what goes on? you don't even know a lamb from a calf or veal from a chop. > I don’t support the insanity that is animal agriculture there is a wide range between ethical and despicable. the average is much closer to ethical end of that range - because it is actually more profitable to care for your crop, before eating it. how many animals (or people) die indirectly due to farming vegetables? ever think of that? do you support the insanity of any kind of farming? you're human. that makes you, inescapably, culpable for the destruction of nature, same as pretty much every other human. to try to paint yourself as better because you pretend you don't destroy your favorite kinds of nature makes you a hypocrite. and very poorly informed.

sweetheart 4y ago
You think you’re making some type of well constructed argument, but it’s the same flawed reasoning that every. single. carnist. uses over and over and over. it’s extremely tiring. You’re also very hung up on my typo. Why? It just makes your argument seem fragile and you seem bitter. I made this offer elsewhere in the thread: if you wanna discuss this further then email me and we can find time to video chat. I’m not about to spend my time patiently explaining why you’re argument is nonsensical, but if you want to chat then I’m down.
- fargle 4y ago
  - you don't even know the difference between a sheep and a cow. that's not a "typo" - that's a clue that you are frothing at the mouth and spewing your anger so fast that you don't even know what you are saying. - you post facts that aren't true. your original post contained 100% fiction. - you defend them with a video that doesn't actually back you up. - you still haven't defended that any animal production, veal, not even foie gras, has any aspect of an animal being forced to drink urine, let alone due to anemia. that's just untrue. > "same flawed reasoning that every. single. carnist." - it's not flawed to use logic and facts vs. the emotional appeal, such as the video you posted. - perhaps the reason every. single. meat-loving. animal-loving. person. uses the same arguments is because they are right and are more logical and moral than your propagandized appeals (that are not really even arguments). you are allowed to believe anything you want to - that's your prerogative. but you need to stop hallucinating that you sane and everybody else is "insane" and wrong. you are the one making terrible attempts at arguments and sounding both quite bitter and agitated. > we can find time to video chat. I'll zoom you the next time it's time to kill and pluck one of the chickens. that'll definitely change your mind. <- see that's how you sound.
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    Here is the link to my calendly if you want to put time down to chat. I won't be upset if you're too afraid, though! Cheers. https://calendly.com/veganism-chat/30min https://calendly.com/veganism-chat/30min