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Hyundai/Kia seems to be doing a great job with their electric cars, in terms of design, fast charging, etc. But it appears they are only selling them in a few

Hyundai/Kia seems to be doing a great job with their electric cars, in terms of design, fast charging, etc. But it appears they are only selling them in a few states, and in pretty small quantities. With dealer markup problems in some cases. The Genesis version is the most appealing to me. I'd strongly consider buying it... except they are not offered where I live, in the middle of the country. If they can increase quantities, it would be great to reach where Tesla has been for years: fill in a form on your phone anywhere in the US (and various other countries) and pick one up for the published price in after a (sometimes short, sometimes not so short) delay.

pstuart 4y ago
It might be easier for them to iterate/refine with a smaller initial market size. One would assume once they lock in the design, manufacturing, and sourcing that they'll go full tilt boogie in selling them.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  AFAICT they're much more widely available in Europe. Hyundai has no trouble meeting US CAFE standards without electrics in the mix. OTOH in Europe they get to sell a couple more gas cars for every electric they sell. (not a European, just what I heard)
  - kmonsen 4y ago
    That’s the same with all electric cars, even BMW SUV that’s assembled in North America
  - bigtunacan 4y ago
    Hyundai requires dealerships to completely re-certify to be an authorized EV repair shop and add Electrify America charging stations at dealership costs. This is all very expensive and many dealerships can't afford the upgrades or don't see a great ROI.
originalvichy 4y ago
I have the old Ioniq model (2017-2019) and it has truly gone under the radar with many car/EV enthusiasts. The top of the line model has most features us in colder climates (heated steering wheel, seat warmers for the rear seats, even cooled seats for the summer) as well as nice tech features such as a pretty good lane assistant and CarPlay/Android Auto. Charges from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes at maximum speed (70kW) and can go 200km on a full battery. It has to be the "best of the rest" when it comes to budget EVs and it definitely seems reliable due based on me browsing the used models online and seeing how the Ioniqs didn't have a lengthy list of fixes that are attributed to a make or model (kind of like the several problems that plague slightly older Model S). The only thing missing from the old gen is a smartphone app connection to preheat (newer Ioniq has this, but has a slower fast charging speed). For someone with a predictable driving pattern in Europe I can highly recommend it. If the Ioniq 5 is as high quality as the old Ioniq, and the 6 builds upon that more, it should be an exciting model.
- QuarterReptile 4y ago
  >Charges from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes at maximum speed (70kW) Can your house supply this power? Quick lazy math suggests that that's almost double my home's entire max power throughput.
  - thatfrenchguy 4y ago
    At home you have time (because your car spends a lot of, if not 99% of its time parked!), so you charge at 6-7kw usually.
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
    The car has long enough range for daily commutes and errands, so home charging only needs to complete overnight. Fast charging is only necessary during long road trips. At least, that’s true for the vast majority of people. In the edge case where you drive two hundreds miles, come home, then start another long drive, you’d need to go to a rapid charger.
    - 4y ago
makeitdouble 4y ago
Distribution and price probably hinge on tarriffs and dealership negociations (which are influenced by price, as it directly dictates how much it will sell). It’s Hundai’s job to deal with that as a seller in the US, but blaming them for being cold feeted when other markets are easier to deal with is a misgided IMO.

pstuart 4y ago

It might be easier for them to iterate/refine with a smaller initial market size. One would assume once they lock in the design, manufacturing, and sourcing that they'll go full tilt boogie in selling them.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
AFAICT they're much more widely available in Europe. Hyundai has no trouble meeting US CAFE standards without electrics in the mix. OTOH in Europe they get to sell a couple more gas cars for every electric they sell. (not a European, just what I heard)
- kmonsen 4y ago
  That’s the same with all electric cars, even BMW SUV that’s assembled in North America
- bigtunacan 4y ago
  Hyundai requires dealerships to completely re-certify to be an authorized EV repair shop and add Electrify America charging stations at dealership costs. This is all very expensive and many dealerships can't afford the upgrades or don't see a great ROI.

originalvichy 4y ago

I have the old Ioniq model (2017-2019) and it has truly gone under the radar with many car/EV enthusiasts. The top of the line model has most features us in colder climates (heated steering wheel, seat warmers for the rear seats, even cooled seats for the summer) as well as nice tech features such as a pretty good lane assistant and CarPlay/Android Auto. Charges from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes at maximum speed (70kW) and can go 200km on a full battery. It has to be the "best of the rest" when it comes to budget EVs and it definitely seems reliable due based on me browsing the used models online and seeing how the Ioniqs didn't have a lengthy list of fixes that are attributed to a make or model (kind of like the several problems that plague slightly older Model S). The only thing missing from the old gen is a smartphone app connection to preheat (newer Ioniq has this, but has a slower fast charging speed). For someone with a predictable driving pattern in Europe I can highly recommend it. If the Ioniq 5 is as high quality as the old Ioniq, and the 6 builds upon that more, it should be an exciting model.

QuarterReptile 4y ago
>Charges from 20% to 80% in about 20 minutes at maximum speed (70kW) Can your house supply this power? Quick lazy math suggests that that's almost double my home's entire max power throughput.
- thatfrenchguy 4y ago
  At home you have time (because your car spends a lot of, if not 99% of its time parked!), so you charge at 6-7kw usually.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
  The car has long enough range for daily commutes and errands, so home charging only needs to complete overnight. Fast charging is only necessary during long road trips. At least, that’s true for the vast majority of people. In the edge case where you drive two hundreds miles, come home, then start another long drive, you’d need to go to a rapid charger.
  - 4y ago

makeitdouble 4y ago

Distribution and price probably hinge on tarriffs and dealership negociations (which are influenced by price, as it directly dictates how much it will sell). It’s Hundai’s job to deal with that as a seller in the US, but blaming them for being cold feeted when other markets are easier to deal with is a misgided IMO.