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I agree with everything here but the presumption that "Leadership" is taking its cues from "internet communities" does not compute for me. I for one am not so

I agree with everything here but the presumption that "Leadership" is taking its cues from "internet communities" does not compute for me. I for one am not so sure this so-called "leadership" cares for family, as a social unit. Accordingly, there is (for me at least) the possibility that this "leadership" is using a pretext to achieve related but orthogonal goals, since purely on rational, moral, and ethical basis, causing this much social division and disruption over this niche issue does not make any sense.

skim_milk 4y ago
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- eternalban 4y ago
  This still doesn't explain why the establishment promotes this unless you are implying that the establishment itself is the Cluster B central.
  - skim_milk 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238zU5UOreY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238zU5UOreY is a conference talk from a Cluster B expert about the topic, highly regarded at least by his peers. For better or for worse, the speaker is actually a diagnosed Narcissist and Psychopath who previously went to prison for his crimes he committed during his employment as a high ranking official in the Israeli government, but I argue that makes him the best person to listen to, at least on this exact topic; sort of an insider view.
    - eternalban 4y ago
      Thanks for sharing, viewing now. I think you'll enjoy this article from 1940: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/1940-04-01/problem-child-europe https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/1940-04-01/p... ("resonance") (https://archive.ph/lZMnx https://archive.ph/lZMnx)
  - SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
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  - mindslight 4y ago
    "If it bleeds, it leads". The red political establishment loves things that make people recoil at the complexity of the real world. Even twenty years ago it was the prospect of artificial wombs and men having babies. Today it's humans with penises using the same bathroom as your daughter, amongst many other tempests in teapots. Similarly, the blue political establishment loves vibrant examples of injustice, doubly so when that addressing that injustice doesn't rock the corporate order. So someone having what is essentially a rare medical/social condition, getting singled out and dumped on by the red team for political purposes, resonates strongly. And thus is our hyper partisan world. It's not enough to ignore the topic because you don't actually know anyone who is transitioning, have it be fine to make some faux pas like when any cultures mingle, and rely on the general good faith of shared humanity to come to an understanding. Rather, you've got to proactively stake your stance as some obtuse pro/anti, reject or "accept" an entire abstract group, and then conspicuously demonstrate your stance to the rest of your tribe.
- l3uwin 4y ago
  Yeah trying to label all trans people and most other minorities you don't like as a hyper-online cabal mentally-ill secretly controlling the world really says more about you than anything. The 'our enemy is soooo weak, but also too strong' dillusion is very much on display
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > ...hyper-online cabal mentally-ill secretly controlling the world really says more about you than anything. I didn't read that comment as saying that they "secretly control the world," but rather that the combination of changes in communication technology and those mental disorders leads those people to have a wildly disproportionate voice and impact. I mean: elections are often won or lost based on which candidate can run the most ads. It's not too hard to believe that a disorders associated with excessive internet use would have an undue impact on society right now, due to something like having disproportionate share of social media posts and/or a greater ability to mob and bully.
    - l3uwin 4y ago
      - canadianfella 4y ago
- palmetieri2000 4y ago
  >"Most social movements nowadays are disproportionally led by psychopaths (primary or secondary), people with Borderline Personality Disorder or narcissism (in short, people with Cluster B personality disorders), studies show." POST >"It is impossible (yes, really, there have been studies) for healthy, normal people to understand the motivations of the mentally ill, including mild and severe Cluster B." THE >"so, studies suggest that the confusion of the state of affairs and the inability to form a mentalizing theory of mind for the mild or severely mentally ill portion of leaders in social movements is actually a sign of health and intelligence :)" STUDIES. Considering you refer to no less than three amorphous groups of "studies", please post them. Otherwise it really only points towards you using the term because you think it gives you intellectual credibility.
  - l3uwin 4y ago
    10$ says he cites Jordan Peterson
  - palmetieri2000 4y ago
    Imagine downvoting a post asking you provide references you rely on to make your point.
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skim_milk 4y ago

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eternalban 4y ago
This still doesn't explain why the establishment promotes this unless you are implying that the establishment itself is the Cluster B central.
- skim_milk 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238zU5UOreY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238zU5UOreY is a conference talk from a Cluster B expert about the topic, highly regarded at least by his peers. For better or for worse, the speaker is actually a diagnosed Narcissist and Psychopath who previously went to prison for his crimes he committed during his employment as a high ranking official in the Israeli government, but I argue that makes him the best person to listen to, at least on this exact topic; sort of an insider view.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing, viewing now. I think you'll enjoy this article from 1940: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/1940-04-01/problem-child-europe https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/1940-04-01/p... ("resonance") (https://archive.ph/lZMnx https://archive.ph/lZMnx)
- SturgeonsLaw 4y ago
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- mindslight 4y ago
  "If it bleeds, it leads". The red political establishment loves things that make people recoil at the complexity of the real world. Even twenty years ago it was the prospect of artificial wombs and men having babies. Today it's humans with penises using the same bathroom as your daughter, amongst many other tempests in teapots. Similarly, the blue political establishment loves vibrant examples of injustice, doubly so when that addressing that injustice doesn't rock the corporate order. So someone having what is essentially a rare medical/social condition, getting singled out and dumped on by the red team for political purposes, resonates strongly. And thus is our hyper partisan world. It's not enough to ignore the topic because you don't actually know anyone who is transitioning, have it be fine to make some faux pas like when any cultures mingle, and rely on the general good faith of shared humanity to come to an understanding. Rather, you've got to proactively stake your stance as some obtuse pro/anti, reject or "accept" an entire abstract group, and then conspicuously demonstrate your stance to the rest of your tribe.
l3uwin 4y ago
Yeah trying to label all trans people and most other minorities you don't like as a hyper-online cabal mentally-ill secretly controlling the world really says more about you than anything. The 'our enemy is soooo weak, but also too strong' dillusion is very much on display
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > ...hyper-online cabal mentally-ill secretly controlling the world really says more about you than anything. I didn't read that comment as saying that they "secretly control the world," but rather that the combination of changes in communication technology and those mental disorders leads those people to have a wildly disproportionate voice and impact. I mean: elections are often won or lost based on which candidate can run the most ads. It's not too hard to believe that a disorders associated with excessive internet use would have an undue impact on society right now, due to something like having disproportionate share of social media posts and/or a greater ability to mob and bully.
  - l3uwin 4y ago
    - canadianfella 4y ago
palmetieri2000 4y ago
>"Most social movements nowadays are disproportionally led by psychopaths (primary or secondary), people with Borderline Personality Disorder or narcissism (in short, people with Cluster B personality disorders), studies show." POST >"It is impossible (yes, really, there have been studies) for healthy, normal people to understand the motivations of the mentally ill, including mild and severe Cluster B." THE >"so, studies suggest that the confusion of the state of affairs and the inability to form a mentalizing theory of mind for the mild or severely mentally ill portion of leaders in social movements is actually a sign of health and intelligence :)" STUDIES. Considering you refer to no less than three amorphous groups of "studies", please post them. Otherwise it really only points towards you using the term because you think it gives you intellectual credibility.
- l3uwin 4y ago
  10$ says he cites Jordan Peterson
- palmetieri2000 4y ago
  Imagine downvoting a post asking you provide references you rely on to make your point.
- veqq 4y ago
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