3 ms·

>If you apply the "Mastodon instance is a Subreddit" model, this makes more sense. Shouldn't this mean a ban on one instance allows you to still access other i

by dibt 4y ago

>If you apply the "Mastodon instance is a Subreddit" model, this makes more sense. Shouldn't this mean a ban on one instance allows you to still access other instances? That was not the case here. Even moving the account was not permitted after the ban.

simfree 4y ago
You can still sign up on any other instance. OP was even permitted to migrate their followers and setup a redirect after reaching out to the mods. Your not entitled to free hosting by an instance, if they object to your content or actions they will ban you.
- dibt 4y ago
  >redirect after reaching out to the mods That's the thing I find noteworthy about the incident. I guess it's a disagreement with the definition of "decentralized." I suppose the mods were kind enough to allow it after appeal, but I don't see why they should be involved in the decision. I would expect it to be the minimum functionality to remain.
  - simfree 4y ago
    Mastodon isn't decentralized, it is a federated system just like email or the public switched telephone network. Go use Briar if you want a fully decentralized social network.
    - dibt 4y ago
      > Mastodon isn't decentralized The title for the official site (https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/) states: "Mastodon - Decentralized social media" Also, I was using the root commenter's terminology, not my own interpretation. I would lean more towards your definition. It seems nobody can agree...
      - simfree 4y ago
        You can run Mastodon in a decentralized manner (everyone running their own instance), but most users do not want the drawbacks of such a setup, hence the current Fediverse having nearly all users on multi-user instances of Mastodon, Pleroma, etc. Sure, those are federated, but unless your running your own server ala Brier then it's not decentralized. Most people do not need full decentralization though, a trusted instance run by a competent administration is sufficient. Burning battery and data to run a server on a mobile device is not optimal.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    yeah, the instances should not hold the identity, that should belong to the user.
    - simfree 4y ago
      Meaningful distributed identity is an unsolved problem. Not everyone can be @name, nor do people want to use UUIDs or similar non-descriptive identifiers to avoid name collisions. Paying for ongoing identity services is a nonstarter for most individuals.
      - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
        You mean it's not a perfectly solved problem, which is true. But there ARE solutions that don't involve allowing someone else to be able to hold your identity hostage.
- FormerBandmate 4y ago
  Mods tried to force a bribe before. It’s very anarchic with little recourse
detaro 4y ago
> Shouldn't this mean a ban on one instance allows you to still access other instances? Not on the instance that's your "account provider" so to speak. (the obvious difference with reddit is that reddit.com as central "provider" for accounts exists) > Even moving the account was not permitted after the ban. According to the thread, the admin re-enabled the account so they could move.

by dibt 4y ago

simfree 4y ago

You can still sign up on any other instance. OP was even permitted to migrate their followers and setup a redirect after reaching out to the mods. Your not entitled to free hosting by an instance, if they object to your content or actions they will ban you.

dibt 4y ago
>redirect after reaching out to the mods That's the thing I find noteworthy about the incident. I guess it's a disagreement with the definition of "decentralized." I suppose the mods were kind enough to allow it after appeal, but I don't see why they should be involved in the decision. I would expect it to be the minimum functionality to remain.
- simfree 4y ago
  Mastodon isn't decentralized, it is a federated system just like email or the public switched telephone network. Go use Briar if you want a fully decentralized social network.
  - dibt 4y ago
    > Mastodon isn't decentralized The title for the official site (https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/) states: "Mastodon - Decentralized social media" Also, I was using the root commenter's terminology, not my own interpretation. I would lean more towards your definition. It seems nobody can agree...
    - simfree 4y ago
      You can run Mastodon in a decentralized manner (everyone running their own instance), but most users do not want the drawbacks of such a setup, hence the current Fediverse having nearly all users on multi-user instances of Mastodon, Pleroma, etc. Sure, those are federated, but unless your running your own server ala Brier then it's not decentralized. Most people do not need full decentralization though, a trusted instance run by a competent administration is sufficient. Burning battery and data to run a server on a mobile device is not optimal.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  yeah, the instances should not hold the identity, that should belong to the user.
  - simfree 4y ago
    Meaningful distributed identity is an unsolved problem. Not everyone can be @name, nor do people want to use UUIDs or similar non-descriptive identifiers to avoid name collisions. Paying for ongoing identity services is a nonstarter for most individuals.
    - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
      You mean it's not a perfectly solved problem, which is true. But there ARE solutions that don't involve allowing someone else to be able to hold your identity hostage.
FormerBandmate 4y ago
Mods tried to force a bribe before. It’s very anarchic with little recourse

detaro 4y ago

> Shouldn't this mean a ban on one instance allows you to still access other instances? Not on the instance that's your "account provider" so to speak. (the obvious difference with reddit is that reddit.com as central "provider" for accounts exists) > Even moving the account was not permitted after the ban. According to the thread, the admin re-enabled the account so they could move.